From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Sat Nov 24 2007 - 22:45:52 ART
Just remember.... A friend will always bail you out of jail... but a
really good friend will be right there with you!
;)
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From: Scott Vermillion [mailto:scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 8:32 PM
To: swm@emanon.com; 'darth router'
Cc: 'Darby Weaver'; 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'EDL'; 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Gary
Duncanson'; 'Andy Cole'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Difference in Exam
> HA! In all my years, I have never been in jail due to alcohol-related
issues!
Don't worry Scott, we're far too classy to ask you what the issues *were*!
From: Scott Morris [mailto:swm@emanon.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:29 PM
To: 'darth router'; 'Scott Vermillion'
Cc: 'Darby Weaver'; 'Narbik Kocharians'; 'EDL'; 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Gary
Duncanson'; 'Andy Cole'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Difference in Exam
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From: darth router [mailto:darklordrouter@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 4:49 PM
To: Scott Vermillion
Cc: Scott Morris; Darby Weaver; Narbik Kocharians; EDL; Joseph Brunner; Gary
Duncanson; Andy Cole; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Difference in Exam
He hasn't responded, because... he is still in jail. :)
DR
On 11/24/07, Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com
<mailto:scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> > wrote:
So, inquiring minds want to know.........
How did the hangover situation pan out??
Cheers,
Other Scott who is nursing only a mild hangover on this fine day (thank you
Mr. Daniels)
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Morris
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:55 PM
To: 'Darby Weaver'; 'Narbik Kocharians'
Cc: 'EDL'; 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'Andy Cole';
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: Difference in Exam
I don't think anyone is asking whether you are in this for personal gain. I
suspect there's SOME reason for the advertisements here, but I'm not
entirely sure what it is. An opinion is something you share, however you
are evangelizing, and that's a bit different.
I think Narbik (among others) simply wants a break.
For those who wish to learn about any CCIE trainers, I'd suggest looking to
Google or your search engine du jour. Mr. Ulm has a web site just like the
other US-based ones do. People randomly ask questions, and it's certainly
good to illicit opinions of people who may have had experience with
different vendors (as an example, I may not be as suave or debonair as
Narbik is, but I'm sure there are other merits! (smirk)).
But I think we are all well aware of your opinion(s). So give an opinion,
let that be the answer, and then don't evangelize.
That's my two cents for the evening... It's 2am, and I'm attempting to
avoid having a hangover in the morning so certainly take this however you
want. But I don't think anyone was questioning your faith.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto: nobody@groupstudy.com
<mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com> ] On Behalf Of
Darby Weaver
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:52 PM
To: Narbik Kocharians
Cc: EDL; Joseph Brunner; Gary Duncanson; Andy Cole; ccielab@groupstudy.com
<mailto:ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: Difference in Exam
Anyone who still wants to know more - let me know and unicast is fine.
I don't work for anyone. So I'm not really biased for any personal gain.
Either I paid for my training independently or in a case or two an employer
sent me as part of a negotiated agreement, etc.
--- Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
> Please give us a break
>
> On Nov 22, 2007 2:20 PM, Darby Weaver
> <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Well if there is a Yoda of the CCIE...
> >
> > He's probably it.
> >
> > Others have nice programs an some are extremely challenging. Some
> > might say overkill.
> >
> > But Yoda is Yoda...
> >
> >
> >
> > --- EDL <r.s.cciestudy@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Joe,
> > >
> > > [quote]
> > > I'm thinking of helping someone get the IE in
> return
> > > for a job with my firm.
> > > It will be money well spent then.
> > > [/quote]
> > >
> > > I was looking for an employer to pay for all the cost to get my
> > > IE. Then I will work for the employer a number of years we
> both
> > > agree to. I believed
> > > that was solely my thought. Never knew someone
> has
> > > the same idea.
> > >
> > > Happy holiday(w/your IE#)
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 21, 2007 11:51 PM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com
<mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Pretty much re-confirms what I heard about
> him...
> > > if you want to learn the
> > > > force, you must head to dagobah and see yoda.
> > > >
> > > > I'm thinking of helping someone get the IE in
> > > return for a job with my
> > > > firm.
> > > > It will be money well spent then.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Darby Weaver
> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:30 AM
> > > > To: Joseph Brunner; 'Gary Duncanson'
> > > > Cc: 'Andy Cole'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: RE: Difference in Exam
> > > >
> > > > I have to say so far knowing what I know now
> about
> > > the
> > > > lab its structure, layout, and relative
> > > complexity.
> > > >
> > > > All things being equal...
> > > >
> > > > I think his labs are quite effective if
> someone
> > > knows
> > > > a bit around the IOS, and simply wants to pass
> the
> > > lab
> > > > outright.
> > > >
> > > > His methodology is very straight forward. He
> logs
> > > > your work, he monitors everything you do.
> Instant
> > > > feedback is immediately available.
> > > >
> > > > It's like having a tech interview where your
> every
> > > > command is under scrutiny - now sometimes he
> may
> > > watch
> > > > you all day. And give feedback in the
> afternoon.
> > > >
> > > > Of all the training and camps I've seen thus
> far,
> > > his
> > > > is actually the most personal.
> > > >
> > > > He even takes his meals with his students.
> And...
> > > he
> > > > does not stop. The entire visit with him is
> an
> > > > exam...
> > > >
> > > > He tests you mentally, orally, and even
> physically
> > > > when you can't figure out those dumb router
> > > problems
> > > > he's worked out for you.
> > > >
> > > > He does not have a workbook per se. You won't
> > > find
> > > > his labs on the net. Each lab is made to
> order
> > > for
> > > > you and only you.
> > > >
> > > > As far as I can tell every student of his 3
> week
> > > camp
> > > > or very near with few exceptions has made his
> or
> > > her
> > > > way to become a full-fledged CCIE.
> > > >
> > > > Count them, he now has nearly 600 CCIE's and
> count
> > > how
> > > > many camps he gives a year and estimate the
> number
> > > of
> > > > students.
> > > >
> > > > That's right nearly every single student of
> his is
> > > now
> > > > a CCIE and their numbers are listed on his
> site.
> > > >
> > > > Who else can boast this?
> > > >
> > > > I mean many people have many students, but not
> all
> > > > make it, not faulting the instructor or the
> > > program.
> > > >
> > > > ==========
> > > >
> > > > Look the core topics are what people pass or
> fail
> > > on.
> > > > I know you read otherwise. But when the metal
> > > meets
> > > > the road... It comes down to core topics.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I've been through a workbook's labs and
> done
> > > a
> > > > few challenge labs. I have and I even went so
> far
> > > as
> > > > to chronicle my results for better or worse.
> > > >
> > > > Let me tell you if you simply must pass the
> lab
> > > and
> > > > must pass it quickly and efficiently - why not
> pay
> > > the
> > > > guy a visit.
> > > >
> > > > He's a busy fellow, he does not frequent
> > > groupstudy.
> > > > He does not take calls while he is working.
> He is
> > > > focused on his student and pretty much never
> takes
> > > his
> > > > eyes off them. He does have a life.
> > > >
> > > > He does keep up with his students after the
> fact.
> > > He
> > > > and I have had a few telephone conversations.
> > > >
> > > > Now other people will mock or make fun of this
> > > guy,
> > > > but they probably don't know him very well.
> > > >
> > > > He's all business. His business is your
> success.
> > > > Your success is a CCIE.
> > > >
> > > > Excuse me... what were you paying for anyway?
> > > >
> > > > The CCIE does not teach one to be a network
> design
> > > > engineer per se.
> > > >
> > > > This guy works hard to see you get your number
> and
> > > it
> > > > is his life's mission. He does not do much
> else.
> > > He
> > > > has one goal to make CCIE's.
> > > >
> > > > He does it like no other.
> > > >
> > > > I have not been through the 3-week class so I
> am
> > > not
> > > > quite there yet as you may note.
> > > >
> > > > However over 600 or so others have been and
> they
> > > are
> > > > CCIEs.
> > > >
> > > > I know a few of them from here and there and
> the
> > > > pleasure to meet some as well.
> > > >
> > > > There are many very very good vendors on this
> list
> > > and
> > > > they have a great deal of respect from
> everyone
> > > here
> > > > and have deserved it. No disrespect to any of
> > > them.
> > > > I have spoken well of them all - my posts are
> in
> > > the
> > > > archives. And each has something unique I
> like,
> > > I've
> > > > said that as well.
> > > >
> > > > This guy has no ego, he is proud of his simple accomplishments -
> > > > 10+ years as a CCIE, his
> very
> > > low
> > > > number, and the number of CCIE's he has
> > > accomplished.
> > > >
> > > > How do you not admire such a person?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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