From: darth router (darklordrouter@gmail.com)
Date: Sat Nov 24 2007 - 18:49:25 ART
He hasn't responded, because... he is still in jail. :)
DR
On 11/24/07, Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
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> Other Scott who is nursing only a mild hangover on this fine day (thank
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:55 PM
> To: 'Darby Weaver'; 'Narbik Kocharians'
> Cc: 'EDL'; 'Joseph Brunner'; 'Gary Duncanson'; 'Andy Cole';
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: Difference in Exam
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> I don't think anyone is asking whether you are in this for personal
> gain. I
> suspect there's SOME reason for the advertisements here, but I'm not
> entirely sure what it is. An opinion is something you share, however you
> are evangelizing, and that's a bit different.
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> I think Narbik (among others) simply wants a break.
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> For those who wish to learn about any CCIE trainers, I'd suggest looking
> to
> Google or your search engine du jour. Mr. Ulm has a web site just like
> the
> other US-based ones do. People randomly ask questions, and it's certainly
> good to illicit opinions of people who may have had experience with
> different vendors (as an example, I may not be as suave or debonair as
> Narbik is, but I'm sure there are other merits! (smirk)).
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> But I think we are all well aware of your opinion(s). So give an opinion,
> let that be the answer, and then don't evangelize.
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> That's my two cents for the evening... It's 2am, and I'm attempting to
> avoid having a hangover in the morning so certainly take this however you
> want. But I don't think anyone was questioning your faith.
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> Scott
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:52 PM
> To: Narbik Kocharians
> Cc: EDL; Joseph Brunner; Gary Duncanson; Andy Cole; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Difference in Exam
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> Anyone who still wants to know more - let me know and unicast is fine.
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> I don't work for anyone. So I'm not really biased for any personal gain.
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> Either I paid for my training independently or in a case or two an
> employer
> sent me as part of a negotiated agreement, etc.
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> --- Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Please give us a break
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> > On Nov 22, 2007 2:20 PM, Darby Weaver
> > <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Well if there is a Yoda of the CCIE...
> > >
> > > He's probably it.
> > >
> > > Others have nice programs an some are extremely challenging. Some
> > > might say overkill.
> > >
> > > But Yoda is Yoda...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- EDL <r.s.cciestudy@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Joe,
> > > >
> > > > [quote]
> > > > I'm thinking of helping someone get the IE in
> > return
> > > > for a job with my firm.
> > > > It will be money well spent then.
> > > > [/quote]
> > > >
> > > > I was looking for an employer to pay for all the cost to get my
> > > > IE. Then I will work for the employer a number of years we
> > both
> > > > agree to. I believed
> > > > that was solely my thought. Never knew someone
> > has
> > > > the same idea.
> > > >
> > > > Happy holiday(w/your IE#)
> > > >
> > > > :-)
> > > >
> > > > Ed
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Nov 21, 2007 11:51 PM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Pretty much re-confirms what I heard about
> > him...
> > > > if you want to learn the
> > > > > force, you must head to dagobah and see yoda.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm thinking of helping someone get the IE in
> > > > return for a job with my
> > > > > firm.
> > > > > It will be money well spent then.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > > Darby Weaver
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:30 AM
> > > > > To: Joseph Brunner; 'Gary Duncanson'
> > > > > Cc: 'Andy Cole'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: Difference in Exam
> > > > >
> > > > > I have to say so far knowing what I know now
> > about
> > > > the
> > > > > lab its structure, layout, and relative
> > > > complexity.
> > > > >
> > > > > All things being equal...
> > > > >
> > > > > I think his labs are quite effective if
> > someone
> > > > knows
> > > > > a bit around the IOS, and simply wants to pass
> > the
> > > > lab
> > > > > outright.
> > > > >
> > > > > His methodology is very straight forward. He
> > logs
> > > > > your work, he monitors everything you do.
> > Instant
> > > > > feedback is immediately available.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's like having a tech interview where your
> > every
> > > > > command is under scrutiny - now sometimes he
> > may
> > > > watch
> > > > > you all day. And give feedback in the
> > afternoon.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of all the training and camps I've seen thus
> > far,
> > > > his
> > > > > is actually the most personal.
> > > > >
> > > > > He even takes his meals with his students.
> > And...
> > > > he
> > > > > does not stop. The entire visit with him is
> > an
> > > > > exam...
> > > > >
> > > > > He tests you mentally, orally, and even
> > physically
> > > > > when you can't figure out those dumb router
> > > > problems
> > > > > he's worked out for you.
> > > > >
> > > > > He does not have a workbook per se. You won't
> > > > find
> > > > > his labs on the net. Each lab is made to
> > order
> > > > for
> > > > > you and only you.
> > > > >
> > > > > As far as I can tell every student of his 3
> > week
> > > > camp
> > > > > or very near with few exceptions has made his
> > or
> > > > her
> > > > > way to become a full-fledged CCIE.
> > > > >
> > > > > Count them, he now has nearly 600 CCIE's and
> > count
> > > > how
> > > > > many camps he gives a year and estimate the
> > number
> > > > of
> > > > > students.
> > > > >
> > > > > That's right nearly every single student of
> > his is
> > > > now
> > > > > a CCIE and their numbers are listed on his
> > site.
> > > > >
> > > > > Who else can boast this?
> > > > >
> > > > > I mean many people have many students, but not
> > all
> > > > > make it, not faulting the instructor or the
> > > > program.
> > > > >
> > > > > ==========
> > > > >
> > > > > Look the core topics are what people pass or
> > fail
> > > > on.
> > > > > I know you read otherwise. But when the metal
> > > > meets
> > > > > the road... It comes down to core topics.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, I've been through a workbook's labs and
> > done
> > > > a
> > > > > few challenge labs. I have and I even went so
> > far
> > > > as
> > > > > to chronicle my results for better or worse.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me tell you if you simply must pass the
> > lab
> > > > and
> > > > > must pass it quickly and efficiently - why not
> > pay
> > > > the
> > > > > guy a visit.
> > > > >
> > > > > He's a busy fellow, he does not frequent
> > > > groupstudy.
> > > > > He does not take calls while he is working.
> > He is
> > > > > focused on his student and pretty much never
> > takes
> > > > his
> > > > > eyes off them. He does have a life.
> > > > >
> > > > > He does keep up with his students after the
> > fact.
> > > > He
> > > > > and I have had a few telephone conversations.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now other people will mock or make fun of this
> > > > guy,
> > > > > but they probably don't know him very well.
> > > > >
> > > > > He's all business. His business is your
> > success.
> > > > > Your success is a CCIE.
> > > > >
> > > > > Excuse me... what were you paying for anyway?
> > > > >
> > > > > The CCIE does not teach one to be a network
> > design
> > > > > engineer per se.
> > > > >
> > > > > This guy works hard to see you get your number
> > and
> > > > it
> > > > > is his life's mission. He does not do much
> > else.
> > > > He
> > > > > has one goal to make CCIE's.
> > > > >
> > > > > He does it like no other.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have not been through the 3-week class so I
> > am
> > > > not
> > > > > quite there yet as you may note.
> > > > >
> > > > > However over 600 or so others have been and
> > they
> > > > are
> > > > > CCIEs.
> > > > >
> > > > > I know a few of them from here and there and
> > the
> > > > > pleasure to meet some as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are many very very good vendors on this
> > list
> > > > and
> > > > > they have a great deal of respect from
> > everyone
> > > > here
> > > > > and have deserved it. No disrespect to any of
> > > > them.
> > > > > I have spoken well of them all - my posts are
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > archives. And each has something unique I
> > like,
> > > > I've
> > > > > said that as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > This guy has no ego, he is proud of his simple accomplishments -
> > > > > 10+ years as a CCIE, his
> > very
> > > > low
> > > > > number, and the number of CCIE's he has
> > > > accomplished.
> > > > >
> > > > > How do you not admire such a person?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > --
> > Narbik Kocharians
> > CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> > CCSI# 30832
> > www.Net-WorkBooks.com
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