From: Brian Dennis (bdennis@internetworkexpert.com)
Date: Wed Nov 21 2007 - 22:28:59 ART
The vast majority of the Vol 2 Workbook labs incorporate different styles.
Getting used to one style or one way of doing things can led to surprises
in the real exam and is the reason we scrambled things up in version 4.
But as far as seeing all 20 Vol 2 labs done in one style, you wouldn't
want that ;-)
Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
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>----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Difference in Exam
Date: Wed, November 21, 2007 15:17
From: "Gregory Gombas" <ggombas@gmail.com>
> Brian,
>
> Can we expect a new workbook coming out in this new style?
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
> On Nov 20, 2007 8:36 AM, Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
wrote:
> > Simon,
> >
> > If you would like I could have you take two mock labs (no charge) and
> > personally look over your results to see if I can determine why you
didn't
> > pass the real lab. One of the mock labs I would have you take (mock lab
> > 5) is relatively new (couple months old) and is written in a totally
> > different style then the regular workbook labs.
> >
> > Just let me know and I'll have someone get you signed up.
> >
> > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> >
> >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > Subject: RE: Difference in Exam
> > Date: Tue, November 20, 2007 2:46
> > From: "Simon Grace" <SimonG@pcsystems.gr>
> >
> >
> > > It's very tough to know where to study from, okay, you have the blue
> > > print but that pretty much covers everything.
> > >
> > > I've not had formal training (too expensive for my company and
> > > especially me), I've only found this forum a few months back. So I
> > > looked at what was available.
> > >
> > > I used the IE lab books as I assumed that if you used them to find out
> > > what to study then you should cover things. First time round (doing the
> > > workbook) I just tried to get through them, second time around I really
> > > started reading into the technologies fully, understanding fully why
> > > certain things did certain things. Third time around I played, mixed
and
> > > matched and fine tuned anything I wasn't too sure on. For the first
exam
> > > the workbooks were a very good study aid.
> > >
> > > Seems a silly question but do people actually start with the UNIVERCD
> > > web page and just read the whole lot. I've read the stuff I come across
> > > in the work book and always use it to investigate things I've got stuck
> > > on, but I've never sat down and read it from start to finish and to be
> > > truthful even if I did I couldn't remember everything.
> > >
> > > My main shock was the difference in difficulty in the exam. They
weren't
> > > even similar.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:gary.duncanson@googlemail.com]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:29 PM
> > > To: Simon Grace
> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: Difference in Exam
> > >
> > > Sorry to hear that Simon.
> > >
> > > A lot of folks bank on workbooks getting them through these days. You
> > > say on
> > > the second attempt a good proportion of the questions you were seeing
> > > first
> > > time. Do I take that as meaning from the labbook you have been
> > > practicing
> > > with? What about the command references and configuration guides in
> > > DocCD
> > > and the books you must have poured over this last year?
> > >
> > > Perhaps cisco are simply trying to beat the labbooks. Who knows.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Simon Grace" <SimonG@pcsystems.gr>
> > > To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:10 AM
> > > Subject: Difference in Exam
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Guys,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I've left this a few days before I wrote it as I needed to calm down.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Back in September I took my first lab exam. I used the
Internetworking
> > > > expert labs and due to me not being quick enough and not leaving
> > > myself
> > > > enough time to work on the real tricky questions I just missed out.
> > > >
> > > > Okay, no problems with that, I didn't deserve to pass and needed
to up
> > > > my game a bit.
> > > >
> > > > Without going into details that by knowing the stuff on the IE labs
> > > and
> > > > the various areas covered you should be okay in the lab. There were a
> > > > couple of new questions I'd not seen but that's to be expected. The
> > > lab
> > > > was of a fair level.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Okay, I got back on the study, got my speed up and basically hit
it at
> > > > 150%. I carried on with the IE labs but really nailed them, I also
> > > > checked out a lot of the things that came up here and lab'd stuff up
> > > > that I'd not seen before.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Went back last week, knowing that nothing is certain but knowing that
> > > my
> > > > skill level was much higher than the first time around and I only
just
> > > > missed that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I was blown away, firstly the exam was much, much harder than the
> > > first
> > > > one. I read through the exam and realised that a good proportion of
> > > the
> > > > questions I was seeing for the first time. Not to mention the way the
> > > > questions were asked. Once again without going into details it wasn't
> > > a
> > > > case of configure this it was put in such a way to make it as
> > > difficult
> > > > as possible to ask a question. Not just once, twice but once again,
> > > many
> > > > difficult questions. I couldn't help but feel that they had made the
> > > > exam so difficult that they were really trying to stop people from
> > > > passing. Going by the exam 2 months before and then this one, they
was
> > > > absolutely no comparison, the second was just mind blowing.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Now, I'm no Einstein, but I did work very hard on this and I know my
> > > > stuff, but when the score report comes back I really can't help but
> > > feel
> > > > that something really isn't quite right, I feel like the goal posts
> > > have
> > > > been completely moved. Plus I know the stuff was working and I know
> > > > where I dropped points but the score report doesn't reflect that.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I got chatting to a guy after the exam who'd had the same lab. He'd
> > > also
> > > > sat one a couple of months before and had been studying about the
same
> > > > amount of time and talking to him I get the idea that he too knows
his
> > > > subject. We both agreed fully that it was just on another plane and
> > > > couldn't understand how two exams could be so different in expected
> > > > level of knowledge.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So, I'm writing this not in a lets go on a burn and pillage rampage
> > > but
> > > > rather has anyone else had similar experiences, do you feel a bit let
> > > > down by the fact that there appears to be no standard level for the
> > > > exam. I'm trying to speak with our Cisco guys here to see what can be
> > > > done. Obviously Cisco own it and do with it what they want but I
don't
> > > > like to be treated unfairly and will try and do whatever is in my
> > > power
> > > > to get things sorted. The price of the exam including flights etc
> > > isn't
> > > > cheap and we deserve a level playing field.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please unicast me, no need to go into details but more on the
lines of
> > > > found the exam to be fair or totally different levels, whatever you
> > > feel
> > > > relevant.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Oh well, I'm gonna take a few weeks off, think about things and
then I
> > > > suppose get back into it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I wish you guys who are going to take the exam all the luck and don't
> > > > worry, if you get something on the lines of the first one you are
> > > > getting a fair crack of the whip.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Simon.
> > > >
> > > >
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