From: Gregory Gombas (ggombas@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Nov 21 2007 - 20:17:20 ART
Brian,
Can we expect a new workbook coming out in this new style?
Thanks,
Greg
On Nov 20, 2007 8:36 AM, Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> Simon,
>
> If you would like I could have you take two mock labs (no charge) and
> personally look over your results to see if I can determine why you didn't
> pass the real lab. One of the mock labs I would have you take (mock lab
> 5) is relatively new (couple months old) and is written in a totally
> different style then the regular workbook labs.
>
> Just let me know and I'll have someone get you signed up.
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
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> >----- Original Message -----
> Subject: RE: Difference in Exam
> Date: Tue, November 20, 2007 2:46
> From: "Simon Grace" <SimonG@pcsystems.gr>
>
>
> > It's very tough to know where to study from, okay, you have the blue
> > print but that pretty much covers everything.
> >
> > I've not had formal training (too expensive for my company and
> > especially me), I've only found this forum a few months back. So I
> > looked at what was available.
> >
> > I used the IE lab books as I assumed that if you used them to find out
> > what to study then you should cover things. First time round (doing the
> > workbook) I just tried to get through them, second time around I really
> > started reading into the technologies fully, understanding fully why
> > certain things did certain things. Third time around I played, mixed and
> > matched and fine tuned anything I wasn't too sure on. For the first exam
> > the workbooks were a very good study aid.
> >
> > Seems a silly question but do people actually start with the UNIVERCD
> > web page and just read the whole lot. I've read the stuff I come across
> > in the work book and always use it to investigate things I've got stuck
> > on, but I've never sat down and read it from start to finish and to be
> > truthful even if I did I couldn't remember everything.
> >
> > My main shock was the difference in difficulty in the exam. They weren't
> > even similar.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:gary.duncanson@googlemail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:29 PM
> > To: Simon Grace
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Difference in Exam
> >
> > Sorry to hear that Simon.
> >
> > A lot of folks bank on workbooks getting them through these days. You
> > say on
> > the second attempt a good proportion of the questions you were seeing
> > first
> > time. Do I take that as meaning from the labbook you have been
> > practicing
> > with? What about the command references and configuration guides in
> > DocCD
> > and the books you must have poured over this last year?
> >
> > Perhaps cisco are simply trying to beat the labbooks. Who knows.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Simon Grace" <SimonG@pcsystems.gr>
> > To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:10 AM
> > Subject: Difference in Exam
> >
> >
> > > Hi Guys,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I've left this a few days before I wrote it as I needed to calm down.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Back in September I took my first lab exam. I used the Internetworking
> > > expert labs and due to me not being quick enough and not leaving
> > myself
> > > enough time to work on the real tricky questions I just missed out.
> > >
> > > Okay, no problems with that, I didn't deserve to pass and needed to up
> > > my game a bit.
> > >
> > > Without going into details that by knowing the stuff on the IE labs
> > and
> > > the various areas covered you should be okay in the lab. There were a
> > > couple of new questions I'd not seen but that's to be expected. The
> > lab
> > > was of a fair level.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Okay, I got back on the study, got my speed up and basically hit it at
> > > 150%. I carried on with the IE labs but really nailed them, I also
> > > checked out a lot of the things that came up here and lab'd stuff up
> > > that I'd not seen before.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Went back last week, knowing that nothing is certain but knowing that
> > my
> > > skill level was much higher than the first time around and I only just
> > > missed that.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I was blown away, firstly the exam was much, much harder than the
> > first
> > > one. I read through the exam and realised that a good proportion of
> > the
> > > questions I was seeing for the first time. Not to mention the way the
> > > questions were asked. Once again without going into details it wasn't
> > a
> > > case of configure this it was put in such a way to make it as
> > difficult
> > > as possible to ask a question. Not just once, twice but once again,
> > many
> > > difficult questions. I couldn't help but feel that they had made the
> > > exam so difficult that they were really trying to stop people from
> > > passing. Going by the exam 2 months before and then this one, they was
> > > absolutely no comparison, the second was just mind blowing.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now, I'm no Einstein, but I did work very hard on this and I know my
> > > stuff, but when the score report comes back I really can't help but
> > feel
> > > that something really isn't quite right, I feel like the goal posts
> > have
> > > been completely moved. Plus I know the stuff was working and I know
> > > where I dropped points but the score report doesn't reflect that.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I got chatting to a guy after the exam who'd had the same lab. He'd
> > also
> > > sat one a couple of months before and had been studying about the same
> > > amount of time and talking to him I get the idea that he too knows his
> > > subject. We both agreed fully that it was just on another plane and
> > > couldn't understand how two exams could be so different in expected
> > > level of knowledge.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So, I'm writing this not in a lets go on a burn and pillage rampage
> > but
> > > rather has anyone else had similar experiences, do you feel a bit let
> > > down by the fact that there appears to be no standard level for the
> > > exam. I'm trying to speak with our Cisco guys here to see what can be
> > > done. Obviously Cisco own it and do with it what they want but I don't
> > > like to be treated unfairly and will try and do whatever is in my
> > power
> > > to get things sorted. The price of the exam including flights etc
> > isn't
> > > cheap and we deserve a level playing field.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Please unicast me, no need to go into details but more on the lines of
> > > found the exam to be fair or totally different levels, whatever you
> > feel
> > > relevant.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh well, I'm gonna take a few weeks off, think about things and then I
> > > suppose get back into it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I wish you guys who are going to take the exam all the luck and don't
> > > worry, if you get something on the lines of the first one you are
> > > getting a fair crack of the whip.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Simon.
> > >
> > >
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