From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Nov 21 2007 - 13:47:59 ART
I think Doc CD is pretty good but you still need a work book to go with it
that puts the commands in a scenario and explains things in details. The Doc
CD does do that. I believe you definitely need a work book to go with the
Doc CD.
I am NOT trying to sell a work book here, i am stating my honest
opinion. Doc CD alone does not cut it.
On 11/21/07, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Andy,
>
> Good philosophy. That's what I do. You could try and know everything cold
> but you would end up being sectioned under the Mental Health Act ;)
>
> Rgds
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andy Cole" <Andy.Cole@foremostfarms.com>
> To: "Gregory Gombas" <ggombas@gmail.com>; "Simon Grace"
> <SimonG@pcsystems.gr>
> Cc: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 2:37 PM
> Subject: RE: Difference in Exam
>
>
> > There are things you need to know 'cold'. IP Routing Multicast QoS
> > Security IS Services Bridging and Switching. You should at least read
> > them, thoroughly. Main thing to keep in mind when you are reading these
> > is WHY would I use this variation over another? (OSPF stub vs. NSSA,
> > etc.)
> >
> > Anything else you come across, like Web Caching find where it is in the
> > DOC CD get an overview. On the more obscure topics, best to know WHERE
> > in the DOC CD you can find it than know them 'cold'.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Gregory Gombas
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 4:34 PM
> > To: Simon Grace
> > Cc: Cisco certification
> > Subject: Re: Difference in Exam
> >
> > I feel your pain. Everyone says "hey just read the DOC CD" casually as
> > if its a quick read over breakfast. Has anyone actually tried to print
> > the DOC CD?!?
> >
> > I've printed all the topice relevant to the R+S and I counted over 6000
> > pages of text to read. So I'm not sure how realistic it is to read
> > through and retain it all. Its like painting the golden gate bridge - by
> > the time you get to the end the beginning is already getting rusty.
> >
> > So can anyone suggest a more efficient way of going through the DOC CD
> > or perhaps the most relevant portions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Greg
> >
> > On Nov 20, 2007 5:10 AM, Simon Grace <SimonG@pcsystems.gr> wrote:
> >> Hi Guys,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I've left this a few days before I wrote it as I needed to calm down.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Back in September I took my first lab exam. I used the Internetworking
> >
> >> expert labs and due to me not being quick enough and not leaving
> >> myself enough time to work on the real tricky questions I just missed
> > out.
> >>
> >> Okay, no problems with that, I didn't deserve to pass and needed to up
> >
> >> my game a bit.
> >>
> >> Without going into details that by knowing the stuff on the IE labs
> >> and the various areas covered you should be okay in the lab. There
> >> were a couple of new questions I'd not seen but that's to be expected.
> >
> >> The lab was of a fair level.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Okay, I got back on the study, got my speed up and basically hit it at
> >
> >> 150%. I carried on with the IE labs but really nailed them, I also
> >> checked out a lot of the things that came up here and lab'd stuff up
> >> that I'd not seen before.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Went back last week, knowing that nothing is certain but knowing that
> >> my skill level was much higher than the first time around and I only
> >> just missed that.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I was blown away, firstly the exam was much, much harder than the
> >> first one. I read through the exam and realised that a good proportion
> >
> >> of the questions I was seeing for the first time. Not to mention the
> >> way the questions were asked. Once again without going into details it
> >
> >> wasn't a case of configure this it was put in such a way to make it as
> >
> >> difficult as possible to ask a question. Not just once, twice but once
> >
> >> again, many difficult questions. I couldn't help but feel that they
> >> had made the exam so difficult that they were really trying to stop
> >> people from passing. Going by the exam 2 months before and then this
> >> one, they was absolutely no comparison, the second was just mind
> > blowing.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Now, I'm no Einstein, but I did work very hard on this and I know my
> >> stuff, but when the score report comes back I really can't help but
> >> feel that something really isn't quite right, I feel like the goal
> >> posts have been completely moved. Plus I know the stuff was working
> >> and I know where I dropped points but the score report doesn't reflect
> > that.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I got chatting to a guy after the exam who'd had the same lab. He'd
> >> also sat one a couple of months before and had been studying about the
> >
> >> same amount of time and talking to him I get the idea that he too
> >> knows his subject. We both agreed fully that it was just on another
> >> plane and couldn't understand how two exams could be so different in
> >> expected level of knowledge.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> So, I'm writing this not in a lets go on a burn and pillage rampage
> >> but rather has anyone else had similar experiences, do you feel a bit
> >> let down by the fact that there appears to be no standard level for
> >> the exam. I'm trying to speak with our Cisco guys here to see what can
> >
> >> be done. Obviously Cisco own it and do with it what they want but I
> >> don't like to be treated unfairly and will try and do whatever is in
> >> my power to get things sorted. The price of the exam including flights
> >
> >> etc isn't cheap and we deserve a level playing field.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Please unicast me, no need to go into details but more on the lines of
> >
> >> found the exam to be fair or totally different levels, whatever you
> >> feel relevant.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Oh well, I'm gonna take a few weeks off, think about things and then I
> >
> >> suppose get back into it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I wish you guys who are going to take the exam all the luck and don't
> >> worry, if you get something on the lines of the first one you are
> >> getting a fair crack of the whip.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Simon.
> >>
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