From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Mon Nov 19 2007 - 16:30:41 ART
I'm glad you agree Khawar,
So far as I am aware Cisco work hard to keep the bar high. For all the many
resources there are available these days we still have many candidates
coming up short in the lab exam. While there were fewer resources to choose
from in the old days but there have been workbooks and bootcamps in one form
or another for a very long time even back in the pre 10000 days.
There is certainly more choice these days but then again the lab has changed
a lot too. Even so, the DocCD, practice and discipline to obtain deep
knowledge of technology is as important today as it has ever been.
Regards
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: "Khawar Butt" <khawarb@khawarb.com>
To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>;
<subodh.rawat@wipro.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:16 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE 19366
>I agree Gary. I don't think the CCIE certification will become a
> CCNA/CCNP anytime soon. The complexity of the exam requires you to know
> the tecnologies pretty well. There are a lot more resources available
> now compared to before but still the exam is a tough exam.
>
> Best Regards
> Khawar Butt
> CCIE#12353 (R/S , Security , SP , Voice)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Gary Duncanson
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:41 PM
> To: subodh.rawat@wipro.com
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE 19366
>
>
> 1st time clears of the CCIE are still the exception rather than the
> rule, it
> takes most people 2+ attempts to clear the CCIE just like it always did.
> I
> don't see 24000 CCIE lab passes per year any time soon.
>
> Regards
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <subodh.rawat@wipro.com>
> To: <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>; <Andrew.Usankin@twtelecom.com>
> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 6:03 PM
> Subject: RE: CCIE 19366
>
>
>
> I think if Cisco makes 200 seats per day, there will be atleast 24000
> CCIEs per year (considering 50% failure) or if failure is 25 % (which is
> most likely the case in today's scenario) then this figure will be
> atleast 36000 per year.
>
> I am not sure then this club will remain as exclusive as it is today. I
> think Cisco should not increase seats from what it has capacity today,
> (there was some noise sometime back that Cisco is going to open new
> centers; no doubt it will help many people in many ways and I am no
> exception) if they want to retain CCIE's value intact or else CCIE is
> next CCNA or CCNP for that matter (definitely it takes atleast 10-12
> months hard core study but today it is still very much possible to clear
> in first attempt).
>
> But as I said in my earlier post, only knowledge will prevail not number
> even if we are 1xCCIE or 5xCCIE.
>
> Thanks
> Subodh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Gary Duncanson
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:01 PM
> To: Usankin, Andrew
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE 19366
>
> I agree it's a personal thing. For my part I still believe getting the
> CCIE is a remarkable achievement. People have gone about rising numbers
> ever since the program took off in the late 1990's. The fact remains
> that the CCIE is difficult to obtain. There is an intellectual
> requirement to passing this thing but perhaps just as important is the
> degree of personal commitment and determination it takes to clear it.
> People's milage will vary depending on freetime available to chase the
> CCIE but regardless it still remains very difficult to get through it
> whatever ligitimate resources you have at your disposal. You still have
> to put the long hours and the hard miles in and that's something many
> people still come up short on committing to. I know one CCIE who had the
> best part of a year off work on full pay by his employer to concentrate
> on preparing for the lab. Labbooks and books were paid for, so was rack
> access, so were exam fees and flights..even a bootcamp was thrown in.
> The guy studied hard. It took him 4 attempts to clear it a few years
> ago.
>
> Literally hundreds of thousands of engineers have failed on the journey
> to become a CCIE over the years. When you consider that the program has
> been going 10 years and that less than 20000 CCIE's worldwide have
> cleared the lab so I would say it's still a pretty exclusive club.
>
> Gary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Usankin, Andrew" <Andrew.Usankin@twtelecom.com>
> To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:45 PM
> Subject: RE: CCIE 19366
>
>
>> Everybody should decide for himself, but as to me - CCIE is not a
>> remarkable achievement anymore. Take a loot at the number, it says it
>> all. So if you still want to get to the hall of fame, you should get
> at
>> least two CCIE, three is better, 5 - is a group of people whom you can
>
>> count on your fingers. :)
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
>> Gregory Gombas
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 5:47 PM
>> To: A.G. Ananth Sarma (GMail)
>> Cc: Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: CCIE 19366
>>
>> Me too. I guarantee you it will soon say in job postings "CCIE with
>> number below 20000 preferred". Cause you know after 20000 the CCIE is
>> easy :-)
>>
>> On Nov 17, 2007 9:22 AM, A.G. Ananth Sarma (GMail)
>> <ananth.sarma@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Congrats Joseph,
>>>
>>> By the way guys, the number really ticks very fast.
>>>
>>> I would like to catch up before it reaches 20k.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ananth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 17, 2007 8:55 AM, darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Grats Joseph. Whats next?
>>> >
>>> > DR
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 11/16/07, Gregory Gombas <ggombas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Congrats Joe! Very well deserved! I could tell from the way you
>>> > > were banging out configs in our group study session that I would
>>> > > see your number soon.
>>> > >
>>> > > Security eh...that would be my choice for a second CCIE. How bout
>
>>> > > I get this pesky R+S lab out of the way and we can fire up the
>>> > > Security webex!
>>> > >
>>> > > Warmest Regards,
>>> > > Greg
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Nov 16, 2007 6:55 AM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>> wrote:
>>> > > > First I want to thank god for all he has given me.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Second I would like to thank Howard, Bobby (RTP), Tom and Tong
>>> > > > (SJ)
>>> the
>>> > > > proctors who work so hard to keep the lab running as smooth as
>>> > > > it
>>> does.
>>> > > You
>>> > > > are gentlemen, and even when I walked out with nothing and knew
>
>>> > > > it, I
>>> > > felt
>>> > > > honored to challenge your creation.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Next I would like to Thank Brian Dennis, Brian McGahan, Scott
>>> > > > Morris
>>> and
>>> > > > Narbik Kocharians. It's one thing to get your number and just
>>> > > > sit in
>>> the
>>> > > > corner somewhere. It's a crowning achievement to use it to help
>
>>> > > > others
>>> > > share
>>> > > > your achievement. Your participation here was a huge study
>>> > > > motivation
>>> to
>>> > > me.
>>> > > > Narbik I touched your name on the wall in RTP yesterday before
> I
>>> started
>>> > > and
>>> > > > I knew it was time.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Got to run, before somebody picks my security blueprint off the
>>> printer.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Thanks!
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Joseph L. Brunner
>>> > > >
>>> > > > CCIE #19366
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>>
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