From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Mon Nov 19 2007 - 16:06:50 ART
Correct. Or has what it takes. Opening up more testing seats does not
necessarily mean an exponential increase in pass numbers. It just makes it
easier to schedule a slot and tank the lab.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
To: <subodh.rawat@wipro.com>; <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>;
<Andrew.Usankin@twtelecom.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 6:43 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE 19366
> Wrong.
>
> Not that many people will commit what it takes.
>
> They just wont
>
> More seats? That's like saying if Mercedes makes more 600 V12 biturbo's
> CL-65's they will just be sold. There has to be demand and qualified
> "buyers"
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> subodh.rawat@wipro.com
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:03 PM
> To: gary.duncanson@googlemail.com; Andrew.Usankin@twtelecom.com
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE 19366
>
> I think if Cisco makes 200 seats per day, there will be atleast 24000
> CCIEs per year (considering 50% failure) or if failure is 25 % (which is
> most likely the case in today's scenario) then this figure will be
> atleast 36000 per year.
>
> I am not sure then this club will remain as exclusive as it is today. I
> think Cisco should not increase seats from what it has capacity today,
> (there was some noise sometime back that Cisco is going to open new
> centers; no doubt it will help many people in many ways and I am no
> exception) if they want to retain CCIE's value intact or else CCIE is
> next CCNA or CCNP for that matter (definitely it takes atleast 10-12
> months hard core study but today it is still very much possible to clear
> in first attempt).
>
> But as I said in my earlier post, only knowledge will prevail not number
> even if we are 1xCCIE or 5xCCIE.
>
> Thanks
> Subodh
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Gary Duncanson
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:01 PM
> To: Usankin, Andrew
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE 19366
>
> I agree it's a personal thing. For my part I still believe getting the
> CCIE is a remarkable achievement. People have gone about rising numbers
> ever since the program took off in the late 1990's. The fact remains
> that the CCIE is difficult to obtain. There is an intellectual
> requirement to passing this thing but perhaps just as important is the
> degree of personal commitment and determination it takes to clear it.
> People's milage will vary depending on freetime available to chase the
> CCIE but regardless it still remains very difficult to get through it
> whatever ligitimate resources you have at your disposal. You still have
> to put the long hours and the hard miles in and that's something many
> people still come up short on committing to. I know one CCIE who had the
> best part of a year off work on full pay by his employer to concentrate
> on preparing for the lab. Labbooks and books were paid for, so was rack
> access, so were exam fees and flights..even a bootcamp was thrown in.
> The guy studied hard. It took him 4 attempts to clear it a few years
> ago.
>
> Literally hundreds of thousands of engineers have failed on the journey
> to become a CCIE over the years. When you consider that the program has
> been going 10 years and that less than 20000 CCIE's worldwide have
> cleared the lab so I would say it's still a pretty exclusive club.
>
> Gary
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Usankin, Andrew" <Andrew.Usankin@twtelecom.com>
> To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:45 PM
> Subject: RE: CCIE 19366
>
>
>> Everybody should decide for himself, but as to me - CCIE is not a
>> remarkable achievement anymore. Take a loot at the number, it says it
>> all. So if you still want to get to the hall of fame, you should get
> at
>> least two CCIE, three is better, 5 - is a group of people whom you can
>> count on your fingers. :)
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
>> Gregory Gombas
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 5:47 PM
>> To: A.G. Ananth Sarma (GMail)
>> Cc: Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: CCIE 19366
>>
>> Me too. I guarantee you it will soon say in job postings "CCIE with
>> number below 20000 preferred". Cause you know after 20000 the CCIE is
>> easy :-)
>>
>> On Nov 17, 2007 9:22 AM, A.G. Ananth Sarma (GMail)
>> <ananth.sarma@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Congrats Joseph,
>>>
>>> By the way guys, the number really ticks very fast.
>>>
>>> I would like to catch up before it reaches 20k.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ananth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 17, 2007 8:55 AM, darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Grats Joseph. Whats next?
>>> >
>>> > DR
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 11/16/07, Gregory Gombas <ggombas@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Congrats Joe! Very well deserved! I could tell from the way you
>>> > > were banging out configs in our group study session that I would
>>> > > see your number soon.
>>> > >
>>> > > Security eh...that would be my choice for a second CCIE.
>>> > > How bout I get this pesky R+S lab out of the way and we can fire
>>> > > up the Security webex!
>>> > >
>>> > > Warmest Regards,
>>> > > Greg
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > On Nov 16, 2007 6:55 AM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
>> wrote:
>>> > > > First I want to thank god for all he has given me.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Second I would like to thank Howard, Bobby (RTP), Tom and Tong
>>> > > > (SJ)
>>> the
>>> > > > proctors who work so hard to keep the lab running as smooth as
>>> > > > it
>>> does.
>>> > > You
>>> > > > are gentlemen, and even when I walked out with nothing and knew
>>> > > > it, I
>>> > > felt
>>> > > > honored to challenge your creation.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Next I would like to Thank Brian Dennis, Brian McGahan, Scott
>>> > > > Morris
>>> and
>>> > > > Narbik Kocharians. It's one thing to get your number and just
>>> > > > sit in
>>> the
>>> > > > corner somewhere. It's a crowning achievement to use it to help
>>> > > > others
>>> > > share
>>> > > > your achievement. Your participation here was a huge study
>>> > > > motivation
>>> to
>>> > > me.
>>> > > > Narbik I touched your name on the wall in RTP yesterday before
> I
>>> started
>>> > > and
>>> > > > I knew it was time.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Got to run, before somebody picks my security blueprint off the
>>> printer.
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Thanks!
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Joseph L. Brunner
>>> > > >
>>> > > > CCIE #19366
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>>
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