From: Usankin, Andrew (Andrew.Usankin@twtelecom.com)
Date: Thu Nov 08 2007 - 15:39:26 ART
Yep, and one for CCSE - S for screwing :)
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Digital Yemeni
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:06 PM
To: Cisco certification
Subject: Re: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
now it's time for cisco to make a new cert named CCLE, L for lifting! :)
On 11/7/07, Usankin, Andrew <Andrew.Usankin@twtelecom.com> wrote:
>
> Well, that is a scary news if all you say is true. I didn't know that
> there are guys with no knowledge of cam-table operation who has CCIE.
> But, honestly, I already feel myself as an "old dog". Just from my
> recent experience in one study group where I participate with Greg
> Gombas and others. I'm not saying that working through Nabriks notes
> is good or is bad, it's just something I wouldn't come up to. My "old
ways"
> are to work through DocCD mostly, to build my own notes and labs and
> have fun with it. Eventually I refer back to books if I didn't get
> some concept. Hell, I'm not even sure if I'll have time even for a
> single lab from any workbooks available today.
>
> Andrew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661)
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:08 PM
> To: tom nohwa; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise,
> Swiss
>
> As a CCIE who has the responsibility of interviewing other CCIE's here
> is my take. One of the things that I have run across allot lately, are
> CCIE's with no practical experience. In my opinion this is partly
> because Lab Prep material is so prevalent and easily attainable. I
> have come across many CCIE's that could not tell me how to physically
> connect to a router to configure it. That is they had no idea what the
> console port is. Another one is not knowing how to upgrade the IOS on
a router.
> Also it is amazing how many CCIE's don't understand IP, as in how
> things work. For instance one of my interview questions it to ask a
> CCIE candidate to explain to me how traceroute works. Or another is to
> explain the significance of MTU in a real world network. Most of the
> time I get an incorrect response. Why do I ask these questions?
> Because to me it shows how much real world experience a candidate has.
> In my opinion a CCIE candidate should have at least 2 to 5 years of
> experience before pursuing a CCIE. They should also work there way
> from CCNA to CCNP and then to CCIE, learning the technologies as they
> go (not just using test prep material). Reading all of the books in
> the suggested CCIE reading list for your specific track is also
> another thing that I would suggest. And it never hurts to read through
> the RFC's (in my opinion as a CCIE your should do this no questions).
> I say this all to suggest that the interviewer that asked you these
> questions may have had the same purpose in mind. In my opinion the
> number of inexperienced CCIE's on the market right now are really
> hurting the credibility of our coveted certification. That seems to be
> the reason why many of us are starting to pursue multiple CCIE's to
> distinguish ourselves. In the past multi-CCIE's where rare, but now
> they seem to have become a necessary thing. I say this as I prepare to
> take the Service Provider CCIE lab in a few days.
>
> As a side note I asked the last CCIE that I interviewed (he was a
> recently cert'd CCIE) to explain to me how the mac-address-table (CAM
> table for you old salty CCIE's :-) ) on a switch is populated. His
> response (this came after numerous questions he could no answer) was
> "Dude have you been studying lately?", I laughed and told him Thanks
> for his time.
>
>
> Jesse Loggins
> CCIE #14661 (R&S)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tom nohwa" <tom.nohwa@gmail.com>
> To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:34 AM
> Subject: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This is to explain you my job search experience happened in Swiss
> after
> > acquiring my CCIE. I am not sure how many of you have come across
> similar
> > situation.
> >
> > I started my CCIE journey in the beginning of last year and passed
> > the
> lab
> > a
> > few months ago. Later, I started contacting the ISPs, most of them
> never
> > responded. I got an interview from one ISP which is the second
> largest
> > ISP
> > (Sunrise) in Swiss. During the interview, they did not ask any tech
> > questions, instead they asked whether I would be *able to lift the
> router
> > and fix it in the rack.* I was astonished to hear this question,
> > but
> I
> > said
> > I would do it during the emergency situation. Then, I was asked to
> wait
> > for few weeks. Few weeks later, I got the response that my French
> skill
> > was very poor.
> >
> > I have now the following questions to my fellow experts:
> >
> > 1. I have seen only the English version of Cisco IOS. Do you know
> any
> > French version?
> > 2. Having 10+ years experience in networking and holding a degree
> > in networking from the world famous university, I was never asked to
> answer
> > any
> > tech question. Instead, question like lifting the router and fixing
> it in
> > the rack, always irritate me. Is this type of question asked to
> > irritate/insult the CCIE?
> > 3. Is it normal that companies don't respond to an CCIE's job
> > applications (of course my nationality is mentioned in my CV)?
> >
> > Please let me know your comments as I hear that CCIEs are highly
> respected
> > everywhere.
> >
> > Best,
> > Joe.
> >
> >
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