From: Matthew Long (mlong@comms-care.com)
Date: Thu Nov 08 2007 - 12:18:11 ART
> Teach me BGP, how do I...
> Teach me Qos, how do I..
> If you can't teach it, you don't know it well enough to be paid to do it.
While I respect your point of view, I think that measuring an engineers ability by them being capable of teaching a subject is misguided. I know VPNs and firewalls inside out, I have a security CCIE and have been working on Pixes since version 4. I have never been able to teach someone VPNs to my satisfaction, because I am not a trainer, if I was maybe I would be teaching rather than doing.
If that is your criteria for recruiting, i suspect you may have passed on some incredible engineers and recruited some really good trainers.
Just my opinion
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com on behalf of Joseph Brunner
Sent: Wed 07/11/2007 04:24
To: 'Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661)'; 'tom nohwa'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
I know that, the answer is CALP
Cam address learning protocol, 801.2g
Do I get the job?
LOL, like I have been saying... I ask all candidates...
Teach me BGP, how do I...
Teach me Qos, how do I...
If you can't teach it, you don't know it well enough to be paid to do it.
-Joe
Sr. Lead CCNA
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661)
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:08 PM
To: tom nohwa; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
As a CCIE who has the responsibility of interviewing other CCIE's here is my
take. One of the things that I have run across allot lately, are CCIE's with
no practical experience. In my opinion this is partly because Lab Prep
material is so prevalent and easily attainable. I have come across many
CCIE's that could not tell me how to physically connect to a router to
configure it. That is they had no idea what the console port is. Another one
is not knowing how to upgrade the IOS on a router. Also it is amazing how
many CCIE's don't understand IP, as in how things work. For instance one of
my interview questions it to ask a CCIE candidate to explain to me how
traceroute works. Or another is to explain the significance of MTU in a real
world network. Most of the time I get an incorrect response. Why do I ask
these questions? Because to me it shows how much real world experience a
candidate has. In my opinion a CCIE candidate should have at least 2 to 5
years of experience before pursuing a CCIE. They should also work there way
from CCNA to CCNP and then to CCIE, learning the technologies as they go
(not just using test prep material). Reading all of the books in the
suggested CCIE reading list for your specific track is also another thing
that I would suggest. And it never hurts to read through the RFC's (in my
opinion as a CCIE your should do this no questions). I say this all to
suggest that the interviewer that asked you these questions may have had the
same purpose in mind. In my opinion the number of inexperienced CCIE's on
the market right now are really hurting the credibility of our coveted
certification. That seems to be the reason why many of us are starting to
pursue multiple CCIE's to distinguish ourselves. In the past multi-CCIE's
where rare, but now they seem to have become a necessary thing. I say this
as I prepare to take the Service Provider CCIE lab in a few days.
As a side note I asked the last CCIE that I interviewed (he was a recently
cert'd CCIE) to explain to me how the mac-address-table (CAM table for you
old salty CCIE's :-) ) on a switch is populated. His response (this came
after numerous questions he could no answer) was "Dude have you been
studying lately?", I laughed and told him Thanks for his time.
Jesse Loggins
CCIE #14661 (R&S)
----- Original Message -----
From: "tom nohwa" <tom.nohwa@gmail.com>
To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:34 AM
Subject: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
> Hi all,
>
> This is to explain you my job search experience happened in Swiss after
> acquiring my CCIE. I am not sure how many of you have come across similar
> situation.
>
> I started my CCIE journey in the beginning of last year and passed the lab
> a
> few months ago. Later, I started contacting the ISPs, most of them never
> responded. I got an interview from one ISP which is the second largest
> ISP
> (Sunrise) in Swiss. During the interview, they did not ask any tech
> questions, instead they asked whether I would be *able to lift the router
> and fix it in the rack.* I was astonished to hear this question, but I
> said
> I would do it during the emergency situation. Then, I was asked to wait
> for few weeks. Few weeks later, I got the response that my French skill
> was very poor.
>
> I have now the following questions to my fellow experts:
>
> 1. I have seen only the English version of Cisco IOS. Do you know any
> French version?
> 2. Having 10+ years experience in networking and holding a degree in
> networking from the world famous university, I was never asked to answer
> any
> tech question. Instead, question like lifting the router and fixing it in
> the rack, always irritate me. Is this type of question asked to
> irritate/insult the CCIE?
> 3. Is it normal that companies don't respond to an CCIE's job
> applications
> (of course my nationality is mentioned in my CV)?
>
> Please let me know your comments as I hear that CCIEs are highly respected
> everywhere.
>
> Best,
> Joe.
>
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