From: Cisco Nuts (cisconuts@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Nov 07 2007 - 23:48:25 ART
I am sure not....
At least from some folks who interviewed with Cisco.
Using an IQ is/has no basis on what a person can do on the job...IMHO...!!
Cheers!!
> From: joe@affirmedsystems.com
> To: scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com; pauld@marshallcomm.com;
jlogginsccie@san.rr.com; tom.nohwa@gmail.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:50:22 -0500
>
> I found out today from someone that Cisco gives people IQ Tests before
> offering employment...
>
> Can anyone confirm this? and for what position?
>
> Maybe we can let brains settle it...
>
> Would you want a guy with a 99 IQ who knows what a console port is and
> Config-register 0x2142
>
> Or a guy with a newly minted CCIE and a 164 IQ (sure some guy in India
> Has both as I'm writing this)
>
> -joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Scott Vermillion
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:47 PM
> To: 'Paul Dardinski'; 'Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661)'; 'tom nohwa'; 'Cisco
> certification'
> Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
>
> Hey Paul,
>
> I have to agree with your closing paragraph; if I have my hiring manager
hat
> on and a CCIE with minimal work history came before me, he would still only
> be considered for an entry-level position (granted, his salary offer would
> be at the top of whatever that entry-level range was). I would offer a
> fast-track career progression provided his performance showed the
real-world
> stuff was within the candidates grasp (it simply isn't for some folks, no
> matter what cert they may hold) and was taking hold.
>
> But don't willy-nilly single out Dynamips. Is a candidate who uses rack
> rentals in any different a situation? Frankly, I consider it to be a
> reasonable assumption that if someone can successfully navigate the lab,
> they can figure out how to cable stuff up pretty quickly. Again, though,
if
> that's something a CCIE needs to learn, then they can expect to only
receive
> an offer of an entry-level position. It's an expert certification and
> non-experts who obtain it need to understand they have dues yet to be paid
> outside of the lab. It aint no short-cut as far as I'm concerned...
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Paul
> Dardinski
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:25 AM
> To: Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661); tom nohwa; Cisco certification
> Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
>
> In the end it is inconceivable that a ccie (no matter what era) can't
> tell you how a cam table is populated. Alternatively, with the advent
> of dynamips, etc, I guess the era of actually having to cable up
> equipment is also mostly over. The cert unfortunately is going to be in
> jeopardy over time as any barrier to entry falls away and it becomes
> just another lab exercise vs really becoming a true expert in the
> underlying technologies. I assume that over time Cisco will respond with
> an increasing level of equipment and interconnections of technology to
> overcome some of this.
>
> As to CCIE's with <1year experience etc....shame on the company that
> expects a whole lot. Certainly they have to understand the guy wouldn't
> be worth much compared to a more seasoned individual and compensation
> surely would/should reflect that.
>
> PD (#16842)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661)
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:08 PM
> To: tom nohwa; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
>
> As a CCIE who has the responsibility of interviewing other CCIE's here
> is my
> take. One of the things that I have run across allot lately, are CCIE's
> with
> no practical experience. In my opinion this is partly because Lab Prep
> material is so prevalent and easily attainable. I have come across many
> CCIE's that could not tell me how to physically connect to a router to
> configure it. That is they had no idea what the console port is. Another
> one
> is not knowing how to upgrade the IOS on a router. Also it is amazing
> how
> many CCIE's don't understand IP, as in how things work. For instance one
> of
> my interview questions it to ask a CCIE candidate to explain to me how
> traceroute works. Or another is to explain the significance of MTU in a
> real
> world network. Most of the time I get an incorrect response. Why do I
> ask
> these questions? Because to me it shows how much real world experience a
>
> candidate has. In my opinion a CCIE candidate should have at least 2 to
> 5
> years of experience before pursuing a CCIE. They should also work there
> way
> from CCNA to CCNP and then to CCIE, learning the technologies as they go
>
> (not just using test prep material). Reading all of the books in the
> suggested CCIE reading list for your specific track is also another
> thing
> that I would suggest. And it never hurts to read through the RFC's (in
> my
> opinion as a CCIE your should do this no questions). I say this all to
> suggest that the interviewer that asked you these questions may have had
> the
> same purpose in mind. In my opinion the number of inexperienced CCIE's
> on
> the market right now are really hurting the credibility of our coveted
> certification. That seems to be the reason why many of us are starting
> to
> pursue multiple CCIE's to distinguish ourselves. In the past
> multi-CCIE's
> where rare, but now they seem to have become a necessary thing. I say
> this
> as I prepare to take the Service Provider CCIE lab in a few days.
>
> As a side note I asked the last CCIE that I interviewed (he was a
> recently
> cert'd CCIE) to explain to me how the mac-address-table (CAM table for
> you
> old salty CCIE's :-) ) on a switch is populated. His response (this came
>
> after numerous questions he could no answer) was "Dude have you been
> studying lately?", I laughed and told him Thanks for his time.
>
>
> Jesse Loggins
> CCIE #14661 (R&S)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tom nohwa" <tom.nohwa@gmail.com>
> To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:34 AM
> Subject: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This is to explain you my job search experience happened in Swiss
> after
> > acquiring my CCIE. I am not sure how many of you have come across
> similar
> > situation.
> >
> > I started my CCIE journey in the beginning of last year and passed the
> lab
> > a
> > few months ago. Later, I started contacting the ISPs, most of them
> never
> > responded. I got an interview from one ISP which is the second
> largest
> > ISP
> > (Sunrise) in Swiss. During the interview, they did not ask any tech
> > questions, instead they asked whether I would be *able to lift the
> router
> > and fix it in the rack.* I was astonished to hear this question, but
> I
> > said
> > I would do it during the emergency situation. Then, I was asked to
> wait
> > for few weeks. Few weeks later, I got the response that my French
> skill
> > was very poor.
> >
> > I have now the following questions to my fellow experts:
> >
> > 1. I have seen only the English version of Cisco IOS. Do you know
> any
> > French version?
> > 2. Having 10+ years experience in networking and holding a degree in
> > networking from the world famous university, I was never asked to
> answer
> > any
> > tech question. Instead, question like lifting the router and fixing
> it in
> > the rack, always irritate me. Is this type of question asked to
> > irritate/insult the CCIE?
> > 3. Is it normal that companies don't respond to an CCIE's job
> > applications
> > (of course my nationality is mentioned in my CV)?
> >
> > Please let me know your comments as I hear that CCIEs are highly
> respected
> > everywhere.
> >
> > Best,
> > Joe.
> >
> >
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