From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Nov 07 2007 - 21:32:21 ART
I totally agree with Michael Jones, i find it hard to believe any of these
stories, so why are you guys going for your CCIEs? and why is Jesse putting
CCIE in brackets after his name?
On 11/7/07, Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661) <jlogginsccie@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Amir unfortunately in my opinion there is a small flaw in the lab process.
> I
> don't think it's one that is easily resolved without making the
> certification process tedious and drawn out.
>
> I too was shocked as you are when in the past I worked with a 3 x CCIE who
> caused numerous outages because he did not understand the significance of
> things such as the OSPF Database, protocol timers, what would happen to
> traffic if you cleared a NAT table, etc. One thing is for sure though this
> guy had a great capacity to memorize things. I watched him Cert MCSE in 3
> days. But the outages that he caused was a direct result of his lack of
> experience in real world environments, or as I like to call it "seeing how
> protocols react in the wild". One thing to keep in mind as you go through
> your studies. What you see in the lab is a totally different animal when
> you
> introduce user traffic and real world applications. And it is this, that
> most of the individuals that I was speaking of lacked. And in my opinion
> it
> is this experience that one should have before one attempts a CCIE.
>
> I'll step off of my soap box now...... :-)
>
> Jesse Loggins
> CCIE #14661(R&S)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Amir.Tahir/Wateen/Lahore" <Amir.Tahir@wateen.com>
> To: "Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661)" <jlogginsccie@san.rr.com>
> Cc: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:48 AM
> Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
>
>
> Dear Jesse,
>
> You gave us a shock. I am preparing R&S CCIE and when I came across such
> e-mail I could not convenience myself that a person lacking basic
> knowledge could pass CCIE LAB. If he himself study & prepare for it
>
> Still can't answer myself why they became CCIE.... if they could not
> even resolve basic things and who will hire them.....
>
> ______________
> Amir Tahir
> Zonal Manager
> Service Delivery & Support
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>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661)
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:08 AM
> To: tom nohwa; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
>
> As a CCIE who has the responsibility of interviewing other CCIE's here
> is my
> take. One of the things that I have run across allot lately, are CCIE's
> with
> no practical experience. In my opinion this is partly because Lab Prep
> material is so prevalent and easily attainable. I have come across many
> CCIE's that could not tell me how to physically connect to a router to
> configure it. That is they had no idea what the console port is. Another
> one
> is not knowing how to upgrade the IOS on a router. Also it is amazing
> how
> many CCIE's don't understand IP, as in how things work. For instance one
> of
> my interview questions it to ask a CCIE candidate to explain to me how
> traceroute works. Or another is to explain the significance of MTU in a
> real
> world network. Most of the time I get an incorrect response. Why do I
> ask
> these questions? Because to me it shows how much real world experience a
>
> candidate has. In my opinion a CCIE candidate should have at least 2 to
> 5
> years of experience before pursuing a CCIE. They should also work there
> way
> from CCNA to CCNP and then to CCIE, learning the technologies as they go
>
> (not just using test prep material). Reading all of the books in the
> suggested CCIE reading list for your specific track is also another
> thing
> that I would suggest. And it never hurts to read through the RFC's (in
> my
> opinion as a CCIE your should do this no questions). I say this all to
> suggest that the interviewer that asked you these questions may have had
> the
> same purpose in mind. In my opinion the number of inexperienced CCIE's
> on
> the market right now are really hurting the credibility of our coveted
> certification. That seems to be the reason why many of us are starting
> to
> pursue multiple CCIE's to distinguish ourselves. In the past
> multi-CCIE's
> where rare, but now they seem to have become a necessary thing. I say
> this
> as I prepare to take the Service Provider CCIE lab in a few days.
>
> As a side note I asked the last CCIE that I interviewed (he was a
> recently
> cert'd CCIE) to explain to me how the mac-address-table (CAM table for
> you
> old salty CCIE's :-) ) on a switch is populated. His response (this came
>
> after numerous questions he could no answer) was "Dude have you been
> studying lately?", I laughed and told him Thanks for his time.
>
>
> Jesse Loggins
> CCIE #14661 (R&S)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tom nohwa" <tom.nohwa@gmail.com>
> To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:34 AM
> Subject: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This is to explain you my job search experience happened in Swiss
> after
> > acquiring my CCIE. I am not sure how many of you have come across
> similar
> > situation.
> >
> > I started my CCIE journey in the beginning of last year and passed the
> lab
> > a
> > few months ago. Later, I started contacting the ISPs, most of them
> never
> > responded. I got an interview from one ISP which is the second
> largest
> > ISP
> > (Sunrise) in Swiss. During the interview, they did not ask any tech
> > questions, instead they asked whether I would be *able to lift the
> router
> > and fix it in the rack.* I was astonished to hear this question, but
> I
> > said
> > I would do it during the emergency situation. Then, I was asked to
> wait
> > for few weeks. Few weeks later, I got the response that my French
> skill
> > was very poor.
> >
> > I have now the following questions to my fellow experts:
> >
> > 1. I have seen only the English version of Cisco IOS. Do you know
> any
> > French version?
> > 2. Having 10+ years experience in networking and holding a degree in
> > networking from the world famous university, I was never asked to
> answer
> > any
> > tech question. Instead, question like lifting the router and fixing
> it in
> > the rack, always irritate me. Is this type of question asked to
> > irritate/insult the CCIE?
> > 3. Is it normal that companies don't respond to an CCIE's job
> > applications
> > (of course my nationality is mentioned in my CV)?
> >
> > Please let me know your comments as I hear that CCIEs are highly
> respected
> > everywhere.
> >
> > Best,
> > Joe.
> >
> >
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