From: Joseph Brunner (joe@affirmedsystems.com)
Date: Wed Nov 07 2007 - 19:50:22 ART
I found out today from someone that Cisco gives people IQ Tests before
offering employment...
Can anyone confirm this? and for what position?
Maybe we can let brains settle it...
Would you want a guy with a 99 IQ who knows what a console port is and
Config-register 0x2142
Or a guy with a newly minted CCIE and a 164 IQ (sure some guy in India
Has both as I'm writing this)
-joe
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Scott Vermillion
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:47 PM
To: 'Paul Dardinski'; 'Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661)'; 'tom nohwa'; 'Cisco
certification'
Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
Hey Paul,
I have to agree with your closing paragraph; if I have my hiring manager hat
on and a CCIE with minimal work history came before me, he would still only
be considered for an entry-level position (granted, his salary offer would
be at the top of whatever that entry-level range was). I would offer a
fast-track career progression provided his performance showed the real-world
stuff was within the candidates grasp (it simply isn't for some folks, no
matter what cert they may hold) and was taking hold.
But don't willy-nilly single out Dynamips. Is a candidate who uses rack
rentals in any different a situation? Frankly, I consider it to be a
reasonable assumption that if someone can successfully navigate the lab,
they can figure out how to cable stuff up pretty quickly. Again, though, if
that's something a CCIE needs to learn, then they can expect to only receive
an offer of an entry-level position. It's an expert certification and
non-experts who obtain it need to understand they have dues yet to be paid
outside of the lab. It aint no short-cut as far as I'm concerned...
Regards,
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Dardinski
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:25 AM
To: Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661); tom nohwa; Cisco certification
Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
In the end it is inconceivable that a ccie (no matter what era) can't
tell you how a cam table is populated. Alternatively, with the advent
of dynamips, etc, I guess the era of actually having to cable up
equipment is also mostly over. The cert unfortunately is going to be in
jeopardy over time as any barrier to entry falls away and it becomes
just another lab exercise vs really becoming a true expert in the
underlying technologies. I assume that over time Cisco will respond with
an increasing level of equipment and interconnections of technology to
overcome some of this.
As to CCIE's with <1year experience etc....shame on the company that
expects a whole lot. Certainly they have to understand the guy wouldn't
be worth much compared to a more seasoned individual and compensation
surely would/should reflect that.
PD (#16842)
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661)
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:08 PM
To: tom nohwa; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
As a CCIE who has the responsibility of interviewing other CCIE's here
is my
take. One of the things that I have run across allot lately, are CCIE's
with
no practical experience. In my opinion this is partly because Lab Prep
material is so prevalent and easily attainable. I have come across many
CCIE's that could not tell me how to physically connect to a router to
configure it. That is they had no idea what the console port is. Another
one
is not knowing how to upgrade the IOS on a router. Also it is amazing
how
many CCIE's don't understand IP, as in how things work. For instance one
of
my interview questions it to ask a CCIE candidate to explain to me how
traceroute works. Or another is to explain the significance of MTU in a
real
world network. Most of the time I get an incorrect response. Why do I
ask
these questions? Because to me it shows how much real world experience a
candidate has. In my opinion a CCIE candidate should have at least 2 to
5
years of experience before pursuing a CCIE. They should also work there
way
from CCNA to CCNP and then to CCIE, learning the technologies as they go
(not just using test prep material). Reading all of the books in the
suggested CCIE reading list for your specific track is also another
thing
that I would suggest. And it never hurts to read through the RFC's (in
my
opinion as a CCIE your should do this no questions). I say this all to
suggest that the interviewer that asked you these questions may have had
the
same purpose in mind. In my opinion the number of inexperienced CCIE's
on
the market right now are really hurting the credibility of our coveted
certification. That seems to be the reason why many of us are starting
to
pursue multiple CCIE's to distinguish ourselves. In the past
multi-CCIE's
where rare, but now they seem to have become a necessary thing. I say
this
as I prepare to take the Service Provider CCIE lab in a few days.
As a side note I asked the last CCIE that I interviewed (he was a
recently
cert'd CCIE) to explain to me how the mac-address-table (CAM table for
you
old salty CCIE's :-) ) on a switch is populated. His response (this came
after numerous questions he could no answer) was "Dude have you been
studying lately?", I laughed and told him Thanks for his time.
Jesse Loggins
CCIE #14661 (R&S)
----- Original Message -----
From: "tom nohwa" <tom.nohwa@gmail.com>
To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:34 AM
Subject: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
> Hi all,
>
> This is to explain you my job search experience happened in Swiss
after
> acquiring my CCIE. I am not sure how many of you have come across
similar
> situation.
>
> I started my CCIE journey in the beginning of last year and passed the
lab
> a
> few months ago. Later, I started contacting the ISPs, most of them
never
> responded. I got an interview from one ISP which is the second
largest
> ISP
> (Sunrise) in Swiss. During the interview, they did not ask any tech
> questions, instead they asked whether I would be *able to lift the
router
> and fix it in the rack.* I was astonished to hear this question, but
I
> said
> I would do it during the emergency situation. Then, I was asked to
wait
> for few weeks. Few weeks later, I got the response that my French
skill
> was very poor.
>
> I have now the following questions to my fellow experts:
>
> 1. I have seen only the English version of Cisco IOS. Do you know
any
> French version?
> 2. Having 10+ years experience in networking and holding a degree in
> networking from the world famous university, I was never asked to
answer
> any
> tech question. Instead, question like lifting the router and fixing
it in
> the rack, always irritate me. Is this type of question asked to
> irritate/insult the CCIE?
> 3. Is it normal that companies don't respond to an CCIE's job
> applications
> (of course my nationality is mentioned in my CV)?
>
> Please let me know your comments as I hear that CCIEs are highly
respected
> everywhere.
>
> Best,
> Joe.
>
>
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