From: joh willi (wjoh71@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Nov 07 2007 - 15:12:15 ART
Hi Jesse & Paul,
I don't agree with your views. In this thread, you are trying to degrade
the achievement of new CCIEs. CCIE is a prgramme offered by CISCO to the
networking experts, not networking technicians. Being a CCIE, I know how it
is difficult to pass the lab. Even if you use dynamips, don't know physical
cabling, don't understand the technology, it is impossible to setup the
dynamips configuration. I assume CISCO already knows about that. There are
some people who are envy on the the growth of CCIE numbers, are trying to
say that the value of ccie has come down. CCIE has still value in the
market. That is the reason why many people are trying and getting the
numbers. ALL CCIEs ARE WORTH.
I know that many people including myself who have done research in
networking, have done CCIE. It does not mean that we should know how to
reset/recover the password of a router. Nobody knows everything. If you
expect that the CCIEs should know howto:
- lift the router and fix it in the rack
- reset/upgrade the password
- upgrade the ios
then
- what is the role of CCNA technicians?
- why Cisco maintains support database?
- why doc cd?.
Connecting the router to the console can be done by anyone. The
manual/document will explain you about that. If you have system experience,
you can do it.
Please don't talk like technicians and respect the hard work
If you expect that CCIEs should know packet level interpretation, then Cisco
should introduce the entry qualification. That is,
those who want to appear for CCIE exam, should have:
Master's Degree in Computer Science
or
Ph. D. in Computer Science.
This is not followed currently.
One can not expect everything from everyone. I am sure that a person who
holds master's degree in computer science knows:
- how ping works
- how traceroute works
- about dhcp
So..........we can talk many things. My request is "Pleas don't try to
degrade the old/new CCIEs".
thanks,
With regards
Joh.
On 11/7/07, Paul Dardinski <pauld@marshallcomm.com> wrote:
>
> In the end it is inconceivable that a ccie (no matter what era) can't
> tell you how a cam table is populated. Alternatively, with the advent
> of dynamips, etc, I guess the era of actually having to cable up
> equipment is also mostly over. The cert unfortunately is going to be in
> jeopardy over time as any barrier to entry falls away and it becomes
> just another lab exercise vs really becoming a true expert in the
> underlying technologies. I assume that over time Cisco will respond with
> an increasing level of equipment and interconnections of technology to
> overcome some of this.
>
> As to CCIE's with <1year experience etc....shame on the company that
> expects a whole lot. Certainly they have to understand the guy wouldn't
> be worth much compared to a more seasoned individual and compensation
> surely would/should reflect that.
>
> PD (#16842)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661)
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:08 PM
> To: tom nohwa; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
>
> As a CCIE who has the responsibility of interviewing other CCIE's here
> is my
> take. One of the things that I have run across allot lately, are CCIE's
> with
> no practical experience. In my opinion this is partly because Lab Prep
> material is so prevalent and easily attainable. I have come across many
> CCIE's that could not tell me how to physically connect to a router to
> configure it. That is they had no idea what the console port is. Another
> one
> is not knowing how to upgrade the IOS on a router. Also it is amazing
> how
> many CCIE's don't understand IP, as in how things work. For instance one
> of
> my interview questions it to ask a CCIE candidate to explain to me how
> traceroute works. Or another is to explain the significance of MTU in a
> real
> world network. Most of the time I get an incorrect response. Why do I
> ask
> these questions? Because to me it shows how much real world experience a
>
> candidate has. In my opinion a CCIE candidate should have at least 2 to
> 5
> years of experience before pursuing a CCIE. They should also work there
> way
> from CCNA to CCNP and then to CCIE, learning the technologies as they go
>
> (not just using test prep material). Reading all of the books in the
> suggested CCIE reading list for your specific track is also another
> thing
> that I would suggest. And it never hurts to read through the RFC's (in
> my
> opinion as a CCIE your should do this no questions). I say this all to
> suggest that the interviewer that asked you these questions may have had
> the
> same purpose in mind. In my opinion the number of inexperienced CCIE's
> on
> the market right now are really hurting the credibility of our coveted
> certification. That seems to be the reason why many of us are starting
> to
> pursue multiple CCIE's to distinguish ourselves. In the past
> multi-CCIE's
> where rare, but now they seem to have become a necessary thing. I say
> this
> as I prepare to take the Service Provider CCIE lab in a few days.
>
> As a side note I asked the last CCIE that I interviewed (he was a
> recently
> cert'd CCIE) to explain to me how the mac-address-table (CAM table for
> you
> old salty CCIE's :-) ) on a switch is populated. His response (this came
>
> after numerous questions he could no answer) was "Dude have you been
> studying lately?", I laughed and told him Thanks for his time.
>
>
> Jesse Loggins
> CCIE #14661 (R&S)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tom nohwa" < tom.nohwa@gmail.com>
> To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:34 AM
> Subject: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This is to explain you my job search experience happened in Swiss
> after
> > acquiring my CCIE. I am not sure how many of you have come across
> similar
> > situation.
> >
> > I started my CCIE journey in the beginning of last year and passed the
> lab
> > a
> > few months ago. Later, I started contacting the ISPs, most of them
> never
> > responded. I got an interview from one ISP which is the second
> largest
> > ISP
> > (Sunrise) in Swiss. During the interview, they did not ask any tech
> > questions, instead they asked whether I would be *able to lift the
> router
> > and fix it in the rack.* I was astonished to hear this question, but
> I
> > said
> > I would do it during the emergency situation. Then, I was asked to
> wait
> > for few weeks. Few weeks later, I got the response that my French
> skill
> > was very poor.
> >
> > I have now the following questions to my fellow experts:
> >
> > 1. I have seen only the English version of Cisco IOS. Do you know
> any
> > French version?
> > 2. Having 10+ years experience in networking and holding a degree in
> > networking from the world famous university, I was never asked to
> answer
> > any
> > tech question. Instead, question like lifting the router and fixing
> it in
> > the rack, always irritate me. Is this type of question asked to
> > irritate/insult the CCIE?
> > 3. Is it normal that companies don't respond to an CCIE's job
> > applications
> > (of course my nationality is mentioned in my CV)?
> >
> > Please let me know your comments as I hear that CCIEs are highly
> respected
> > everywhere.
> >
> > Best,
> > Joe.
> >
> >
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