From: alexandros.sichlimiris@bt.com
Date: Wed Nov 07 2007 - 08:36:46 ART
I think that Amir responded to Jesse, not John :-)
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
shiran guez
Sent: 07 November 2007 10:44
To: Amir.Tahir/Wateen/Lahore
Cc: Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661); Cisco certification
Subject: Re: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
Amir
this is not what Jon explained, he said that the two type is simply one
that
know all the books rfc and so one but with out a technical expireance so
that person with a lot of lab training can pass the lab as he already
know
all the theory he know that bgp reflector and confederation will solve
his
bgp hub and spoke topology.
the other type know all the technology but only from hands on experience
mean that he know from a lot of try and error hours that if he will not
use
confederation or reflector his hub and spoke BGP topology will not work.
so both of them know the technology from a different Angel. one of them
need
to get more hands on experience fill the metal and one of them need to
read
more and understand the why.
On Nov 7, 2007 11:48 AM, Amir.Tahir/Wateen/Lahore
<Amir.Tahir@wateen.com>
wrote:
> Dear Jesse,
>
> You gave us a shock. I am preparing R&S CCIE and when I came across
such
> e-mail I could not convenience myself that a person lacking basic
> knowledge could pass CCIE LAB. If he himself study & prepare for it
>
> Still can't answer myself why they became CCIE.... if they could not
> even resolve basic things and who will hire them.....
>
> ______________
> Amir Tahir
> Zonal Manager
> Service Delivery & Support
> Engineering Division
>
> 4th Floor, New Auriga Complex,
> Main Boulevard, Gulberg, Lahore, Pakistan
> Mob: +92-322-4002647
> Email: amir.tahir@wateen.com
> Website: www.wateen.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661)
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:08 AM
> To: tom nohwa; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise,
Swiss
>
> As a CCIE who has the responsibility of interviewing other CCIE's here
> is my
> take. One of the things that I have run across allot lately, are
CCIE's
> with
> no practical experience. In my opinion this is partly because Lab Prep
> material is so prevalent and easily attainable. I have come across
many
> CCIE's that could not tell me how to physically connect to a router to
> configure it. That is they had no idea what the console port is.
Another
> one
> is not knowing how to upgrade the IOS on a router. Also it is amazing
> how
> many CCIE's don't understand IP, as in how things work. For instance
one
> of
> my interview questions it to ask a CCIE candidate to explain to me how
> traceroute works. Or another is to explain the significance of MTU in
a
> real
> world network. Most of the time I get an incorrect response. Why do I
> ask
> these questions? Because to me it shows how much real world experience
a
>
> candidate has. In my opinion a CCIE candidate should have at least 2
to
> 5
> years of experience before pursuing a CCIE. They should also work
there
> way
> from CCNA to CCNP and then to CCIE, learning the technologies as they
go
>
> (not just using test prep material). Reading all of the books in the
> suggested CCIE reading list for your specific track is also another
> thing
> that I would suggest. And it never hurts to read through the RFC's (in
> my
> opinion as a CCIE your should do this no questions). I say this all to
> suggest that the interviewer that asked you these questions may have
had
> the
> same purpose in mind. In my opinion the number of inexperienced CCIE's
> on
> the market right now are really hurting the credibility of our coveted
> certification. That seems to be the reason why many of us are starting
> to
> pursue multiple CCIE's to distinguish ourselves. In the past
> multi-CCIE's
> where rare, but now they seem to have become a necessary thing. I say
> this
> as I prepare to take the Service Provider CCIE lab in a few days.
>
> As a side note I asked the last CCIE that I interviewed (he was a
> recently
> cert'd CCIE) to explain to me how the mac-address-table (CAM table for
> you
> old salty CCIE's :-) ) on a switch is populated. His response (this
came
>
> after numerous questions he could no answer) was "Dude have you been
> studying lately?", I laughed and told him Thanks for his time.
>
>
> Jesse Loggins
> CCIE #14661 (R&S)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tom nohwa" <tom.nohwa@gmail.com>
> To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:34 AM
> Subject: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This is to explain you my job search experience happened in Swiss
> after
> > acquiring my CCIE. I am not sure how many of you have come across
> similar
> > situation.
> >
> > I started my CCIE journey in the beginning of last year and passed
the
> lab
> > a
> > few months ago. Later, I started contacting the ISPs, most of them
> never
> > responded. I got an interview from one ISP which is the second
> largest
> > ISP
> > (Sunrise) in Swiss. During the interview, they did not ask any tech
> > questions, instead they asked whether I would be *able to lift the
> router
> > and fix it in the rack.* I was astonished to hear this question,
but
> I
> > said
> > I would do it during the emergency situation. Then, I was asked to
> wait
> > for few weeks. Few weeks later, I got the response that my French
> skill
> > was very poor.
> >
> > I have now the following questions to my fellow experts:
> >
> > 1. I have seen only the English version of Cisco IOS. Do you know
> any
> > French version?
> > 2. Having 10+ years experience in networking and holding a degree
in
> > networking from the world famous university, I was never asked to
> answer
> > any
> > tech question. Instead, question like lifting the router and fixing
> it in
> > the rack, always irritate me. Is this type of question asked to
> > irritate/insult the CCIE?
> > 3. Is it normal that companies don't respond to an CCIE's job
> > applications
> > (of course my nationality is mentioned in my CV)?
> >
> > Please let me know your comments as I hear that CCIEs are highly
> respected
> > everywhere.
> >
> > Best,
> > Joe.
> >
> >
>
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