From: midvangur41@simnet.is
Date: Wed Nov 07 2007 - 06:19:46 ART
Have you heard of paper candidates?
Have you heard of lab rats?
Let me explain. Paper candidate is a person that loves theory and algorithms. How protocols work. They spend alot of time in libraries reading about cisco stuff and networking. They know how BGP works in and out. They know the OSI and how everything works. But there is a one catch. They dont have any experiense how to configure it on routers. They hate using a screwdriver and doing rack work.
Lab rat is a person that loves hands on experience. They like putting routers in racks and using screwdrivers. They know how to put in commands in IOS to configure even the most complex schenarios. But they dont know why. They have just learned how to do it by experience. They can put up a bgp network and if you ask them how they did it they will give you the commands but no explanations. They just know it.
Cisco is trying to combine the two abowe in the CCIE by having a written test and a lab. But I dont think it will work that way.
Regards
Jon
> lmao!
>
> On Nov 6, 2007 11:24 PM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
>
>> I know that, the answer is CALP
>>
>> Cam address learning protocol, 801.2g
>>
>> Do I get the job?
>>
>> LOL, like I have been saying... I ask all candidates...
>>
>> Teach me BGP, how do I...
>>
>> Teach me Qos, how do I...
>>
>> If you can't teach it, you don't know it well enough to be paid to do it.
>>
>> -Joe
>> Sr. Lead CCNA
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661)
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:08 PM
>> To: tom nohwa; Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
>>
>> As a CCIE who has the responsibility of interviewing other CCIE's here is
>> my
>>
>> take. One of the things that I have run across allot lately, are CCIE's
>> with
>>
>> no practical experience. In my opinion this is partly because Lab Prep
>> material is so prevalent and easily attainable. I have come across many
>> CCIE's that could not tell me how to physically connect to a router to
>> configure it. That is they had no idea what the console port is. Another
>> one
>>
>> is not knowing how to upgrade the IOS on a router. Also it is amazing how
>> many CCIE's don't understand IP, as in how things work. For instance one
>> of
>> my interview questions it to ask a CCIE candidate to explain to me how
>> traceroute works. Or another is to explain the significance of MTU in a
>> real
>>
>> world network. Most of the time I get an incorrect response. Why do I ask
>> these questions? Because to me it shows how much real world experience a
>> candidate has. In my opinion a CCIE candidate should have at least 2 to 5
>> years of experience before pursuing a CCIE. They should also work there
>> way
>> from CCNA to CCNP and then to CCIE, learning the technologies as they go
>> (not just using test prep material). Reading all of the books in the
>> suggested CCIE reading list for your specific track is also another thing
>> that I would suggest. And it never hurts to read through the RFC's (in my
>> opinion as a CCIE your should do this no questions). I say this all to
>> suggest that the interviewer that asked you these questions may have had
>> the
>>
>> same purpose in mind. In my opinion the number of inexperienced CCIE's on
>> the market right now are really hurting the credibility of our coveted
>> certification. That seems to be the reason why many of us are starting to
>> pursue multiple CCIE's to distinguish ourselves. In the past multi-CCIE's
>> where rare, but now they seem to have become a necessary thing. I say this
>> as I prepare to take the Service Provider CCIE lab in a few days.
>>
>> As a side note I asked the last CCIE that I interviewed (he was a recently
>> cert'd CCIE) to explain to me how the mac-address-table (CAM table for you
>> old salty CCIE's :-) ) on a switch is populated. His response (this came
>> after numerous questions he could no answer) was "Dude have you been
>> studying lately?", I laughed and told him Thanks for his time.
>>
>>
>> Jesse Loggins
>> CCIE #14661 (R&S)
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "tom nohwa" <tom.nohwa@gmail.com>
>> To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:34 AM
>> Subject: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
>>
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > This is to explain you my job search experience happened in Swiss after
>> > acquiring my CCIE. I am not sure how many of you have come across
>> similar
>> > situation.
>> >
>> > I started my CCIE journey in the beginning of last year and passed the
>> lab
>>
>> > a
>> > few months ago. Later, I started contacting the ISPs, most of them
>> never
>> > responded. I got an interview from one ISP which is the second largest
>> > ISP
>> > (Sunrise) in Swiss. During the interview, they did not ask any tech
>> > questions, instead they asked whether I would be *able to lift the
>> router
>> > and fix it in the rack.* I was astonished to hear this question, but I
>> > said
>> > I would do it during the emergency situation. Then, I was asked to
>> wait
>> > for few weeks. Few weeks later, I got the response that my French
>> skill
>> > was very poor.
>> >
>> > I have now the following questions to my fellow experts:
>> >
>> > 1. I have seen only the English version of Cisco IOS. Do you know any
>> > French version?
>> > 2. Having 10+ years experience in networking and holding a degree in
>> > networking from the world famous university, I was never asked to answer
>> > any
>> > tech question. Instead, question like lifting the router and fixing it
>> in
>> > the rack, always irritate me. Is this type of question asked to
>> > irritate/insult the CCIE?
>> > 3. Is it normal that companies don't respond to an CCIE's job
>> > applications
>> > (of course my nationality is mentioned in my CV)?
>> >
>> > Please let me know your comments as I hear that CCIEs are highly
>> respected
>> > everywhere.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Joe.
>> >
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