From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Nov 06 2007 - 23:55:49 ART
Love ya Jesse!
Now, see why I find this interesting is because, I as
a CCNP plus few, also like to as ask similar
questions.
For instance, I like to know that a candidate can
perform a password recovery on the fly. On mostly any
model router or switch or immediately tell me where to
got to find out.
I also like a candidate to be able to tell me very
explicitly about things like DHCP, IPSec, DNS, etc.
If I put them on the hook and they can tell me
everything, we got some chemistry. Everyone can tell
me something, strange as it may seem but few people
can tell me the whole story.
I can usually tell a lot about a candidate from how
well they know DNS and DHCP... More if we can get to
IPSec VPN troubleshooting.
It seems to me that the more a person knows at the
packet level the more a person can understand about a
network.
If a person does not understand Spanning-Tree, how can
a person troubleshoot it properly?
If a person cannot explain an ACL and what it does
from the bit level, how can one be expected to apply
it properly?
I mean so many protocols we take for granted.
And Jesse is quite correct, few interview candidates
are prepared to discuss the basics of some very common
protocols.
I mean breaking it down to the cam table /
mac-address-table is pretty basic. But maybe overly
misunderstood by people just trying to pass the lab in
a rush.
However, I can vouch for the Brians, I think they
specifically cover it well.
I once recall Brian Dennis or was it McGahan
mentioning about CCIE candidates wanting more in their
workbooks in terms of difficulty.
It's refreshing to run into people who are taking
their time and trying to understand how the clock
actually ticks.
I know I'm still working things out and going back to
verify things... again... since I obviously missed a
few things in my first few seatings...
Later
--- "Jesse Loggins (CCIE#14661)"
<jlogginsccie@san.rr.com> wrote:
> As a CCIE who has the responsibility of interviewing
> other CCIE's here is my
> take. One of the things that I have run across allot
> lately, are CCIE's with
> no practical experience. In my opinion this is
> partly because Lab Prep
> material is so prevalent and easily attainable. I
> have come across many
> CCIE's that could not tell me how to physically
> connect to a router to
> configure it. That is they had no idea what the
> console port is. Another one
> is not knowing how to upgrade the IOS on a router.
> Also it is amazing how
> many CCIE's don't understand IP, as in how things
> work. For instance one of
> my interview questions it to ask a CCIE candidate to
> explain to me how
> traceroute works. Or another is to explain the
> significance of MTU in a real
> world network. Most of the time I get an incorrect
> response. Why do I ask
> these questions? Because to me it shows how much
> real world experience a
> candidate has. In my opinion a CCIE candidate should
> have at least 2 to 5
> years of experience before pursuing a CCIE. They
> should also work there way
> from CCNA to CCNP and then to CCIE, learning the
> technologies as they go
> (not just using test prep material). Reading all of
> the books in the
> suggested CCIE reading list for your specific track
> is also another thing
> that I would suggest. And it never hurts to read
> through the RFC's (in my
> opinion as a CCIE your should do this no questions).
> I say this all to
> suggest that the interviewer that asked you these
> questions may have had the
> same purpose in mind. In my opinion the number of
> inexperienced CCIE's on
> the market right now are really hurting the
> credibility of our coveted
> certification. That seems to be the reason why many
> of us are starting to
> pursue multiple CCIE's to distinguish ourselves. In
> the past multi-CCIE's
> where rare, but now they seem to have become a
> necessary thing. I say this
> as I prepare to take the Service Provider CCIE lab
> in a few days.
>
> As a side note I asked the last CCIE that I
> interviewed (he was a recently
> cert'd CCIE) to explain to me how the
> mac-address-table (CAM table for you
> old salty CCIE's :-) ) on a switch is populated. His
> response (this came
> after numerous questions he could no answer) was
> "Dude have you been
> studying lately?", I laughed and told him Thanks for
> his time.
>
>
> Jesse Loggins
> CCIE #14661 (R&S)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tom nohwa" <tom.nohwa@gmail.com>
> To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 4:34 AM
> Subject: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by
> Sunrise, Swiss
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This is to explain you my job search experience
> happened in Swiss after
> > acquiring my CCIE. I am not sure how many of you
> have come across similar
> > situation.
> >
> > I started my CCIE journey in the beginning of last
> year and passed the lab
> > a
> > few months ago. Later, I started contacting the
> ISPs, most of them never
> > responded. I got an interview from one ISP which
> is the second largest
> > ISP
> > (Sunrise) in Swiss. During the interview, they
> did not ask any tech
> > questions, instead they asked whether I would be
> *able to lift the router
> > and fix it in the rack.* I was astonished to hear
> this question, but I
> > said
> > I would do it during the emergency situation.
> Then, I was asked to wait
> > for few weeks. Few weeks later, I got the
> response that my French skill
> > was very poor.
> >
> > I have now the following questions to my fellow
> experts:
> >
> > 1. I have seen only the English version of Cisco
> IOS. Do you know any
> > French version?
> > 2. Having 10+ years experience in networking and
> holding a degree in
> > networking from the world famous university, I was
> never asked to answer
> > any
> > tech question. Instead, question like lifting the
> router and fixing it in
> > the rack, always irritate me. Is this type of
> question asked to
> > irritate/insult the CCIE?
> > 3. Is it normal that companies don't respond to
> an CCIE's job
> > applications
> > (of course my nationality is mentioned in my CV)?
> >
> > Please let me know your comments as I hear that
> CCIEs are highly respected
> > everywhere.
> >
> > Best,
> > Joe.
> >
> >
>
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