From: Jonny English (redkidneybeans@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Nov 06 2007 - 17:18:34 ART
I think most people look for a job after getting there CCIE, is because it
cost them money, time and some employers don't help with money or time so
after getting a CCIE they decide to get a new job :).
On 11/6/07, William Nellis <nellis_iv@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Most companies don't hire CCIE's. They hire people. Preferably people
> holding CCIE numbers.
>
> Based on my experience, all that number will do in some instances is get
> your foot in the door. You have to seal the deal. No test or degree will
> "Get" you the job. (although, i would expect you to get more calls back if
> you applied for the right jobs within your skill sets... does your resume
> need refining?)
>
> Most CCIE positions at the level companies need will be required to
> interface with "SOMEONE", whether that be a customer, peer, marketing group,
> whatever. In these instances your business or technical acumen matter more
> than what you did in a lab. Also, most interviewers don't smile upon someone
> doing a job search directly after obtaining a cert... (except contracting
> companies). Ever wonder, if you get a certification and are seeking
> employment, it means you got a certification and are leaving someone else?
> You do it to one company, you'll do it to others.
>
>
> Rules of life
>
> 1) if it was easy,anyone would do it
> 2) Nobody's going to give you anything
> 3) CCIE number means what you put behind it. If you want that number to
> mean something you need to sell yourself. Companies dont hire numbers, they
> hire people... (then they give you a number :) )
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> r/s
> William Nellis IV
> nellis_iv@yahoo.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ahsan Mohiuddin <ahsan.mohiuddin@yahoo.com>
> To: tom nohwa <tom.nohwa@gmail.com>
> Cc: Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 5, 2007 10:07:12 PM
> Subject: Re: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
>
> Hello Tom,
>
> sad to hear your story. However, I do NOT think that every new CCIE is
> treated that way. The problem you faced is not ccie-specific. After having a
> number of difficult interviews/ failing to secure a post I have re-modeled
> my view of the corporate world in general, and the hiring process in
> particular. It is easy to feel like "a victim of the cruel world" after the
> kind of experience you've had but before you fall in that trap, ask yourself
> the following questions:
>
> 1) Did that company genuinely have a vacancy or were they just going
> through a formal, annual business process requirement?
>
> 2) If the vacancy did exist, had the interviewers already picked their man
> and were just hearing out the remaining ones?
>
> NOTE: If the vacancy is not genuine or they've already picked their man,
> they are likely to give you a shoddy reason for rejecting you, such as "your
> french is poor" OR "I see, you nearly flunked the Artificial Intelligence
> course in college ! "
>
> 3) If they had NOT picked their man yet when you were interviewed, did
> your personality-type *clicked* with majority of the interviewers? In my
> experience, this is THE most important factor in determining whether or not
> you will be able to secure the job. The *clicking* happens when they like
> you as a person or would have made friends with you if you met at a party.
>
> 4) If they do *click* with you (or a majority of them does), do they think
> you can handle this job? They will consider both technical and non-technical
> skills, esp. communication skills in this era of service-orientation.
>
> 5) CCIE is a highly sought after certification in SOME parts of the world.
> You have much higher chances of securing a job based on ccie in growing
> telecom markets such as Australia and the Middle East. However, Its not a
> given that ccie will get you a job in your home country, home state and home
> town. What it will do is get you a job in most parts of the world.
>
> Wish you luck in future.
>
> - Ahsan
>
>
>
>
> tom nohwa <tom.nohwa@gmail.com> wrote: Hi all,
>
> This is to explain you my job search experience happened in Swiss after
> acquiring my CCIE. I am not sure how many of you have come across similar
> situation.
>
> I started my CCIE journey in the beginning of last year and passed the lab
> a
> few months ago. Later, I started contacting the ISPs, most of them never
> responded. I got an interview from one ISP which is the second largest
> ISP
> (Sunrise) in Swiss. During the interview, they did not ask any tech
> questions, instead they asked whether I would be *able to lift the router
> and fix it in the rack.* I was astonished to hear this question, but I
> said
> I would do it during the emergency situation. Then, I was asked to wait
> for few weeks. Few weeks later, I got the response that my French skill
> was very poor.
>
> I have now the following questions to my fellow experts:
>
> 1. I have seen only the English version of Cisco IOS. Do you know any
> French version?
> 2. Having 10+ years experience in networking and holding a degree in
> networking from the world famous university, I was never asked to answer
> any
> tech question. Instead, question like lifting the router and fixing it in
> the rack, always irritate me. Is this type of question asked to
> irritate/insult the CCIE?
> 3. Is it normal that companies don't respond to an CCIE's job
> applications
> (of course my nationality is mentioned in my CV)?
>
> Please let me know your comments as I hear that CCIEs are highly respected
> everywhere.
>
> Best,
> Joe.
>
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