From: John Hooper (homith@homith.com)
Date: Tue Nov 06 2007 - 04:58:31 ART
Hmm, Man whore hey... Now there is a job I would like to do :) I'd even do
overtime :)
John (aka: Homith)
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Nellis" <nellis_iv@yahoo.com>
To: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>; "Ahsan Mohiuddin"
<ahsan.mohiuddin@yahoo.com>; "tom nohwa" <tom.nohwa@gmail.com>
Cc: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
> You can always go to work for yourself as a man whore. Be your own pimp.
>
> (am I allowed to say that?)
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> r/s
> William Nellis IV
> nellis_iv@yahoo.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> To: William Nellis <nellis_iv@yahoo.com>; Ahsan Mohiuddin
> <ahsan.mohiuddin@yahoo.com>; tom nohwa <tom.nohwa@gmail.com>
> Cc: Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 5, 2007 11:29:47 PM
> Subject: RE: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
>
> From another angle;
>
> Have you ever thought of going into business for yourself?
>
> I once also worked as a wage slave, subservient to a boss. I realized one
> day about 2 years ago, I'm to smart to do this. If JP Morgan, and Donald
> Trump don't work for someone, why should I?
>
> I'm smart. I'm cool. I can pick up a woman and bring her home from a bar.
> I'm a winner. Hey, I'm pretty good with routers & switches and talking to
> people too. I can get my own LLC and work with clients on projects...
>
> I don't need to come in at 8am or 9am everyday and ride the train that's
> so
> crowded I have to squeeze in a squeeze out.
>
> You need to change your outlook on life, bro. You're a winner. You past a
> lab that has me guessing. What can Ahsan do? I bet he can do stuff I can't
> even do. I bet he can do really good and make lots of $$$ and have
> respect.
>
> Show me.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> William Nellis
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 12:33 AM
> To: Ahsan Mohiuddin; tom nohwa
> Cc: Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
>
> Most companies don't hire CCIE's. They hire people. Preferably people
> holding CCIE numbers.
>
> Based on my experience, all that number will do in some instances is get
> your foot in the door. You have to seal the deal. No test or degree will
> "Get" you the job. (although, i would expect you to get more calls back if
> you applied for the right jobs within your skill sets... does your resume
> need refining?)
>
> Most CCIE positions at the level companies need will be required to
> interface with "SOMEONE", whether that be a customer, peer, marketing
> group,
> whatever. In these instances your business or technical acumen matter more
> than what you did in a lab. Also, most interviewers don't smile upon
> someone
> doing a job search directly after obtaining a cert... (except contracting
> companies). Ever wonder, if you get a certification and are seeking
> employment, it means you got a certification and are leaving someone else?
> You do it to one company, you'll do it to others.
>
>
> Rules of life
>
> 1) if it was easy,anyone would do it
> 2) Nobody's going to give you anything
> 3) CCIE number means what you put behind it. If you want that number to
> mean
> something you need to sell yourself. Companies dont hire numbers, they
> hire
> people... (then they give you a number :) )
>
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> r/s
> William Nellis IV
> nellis_iv@yahoo.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ahsan Mohiuddin <ahsan.mohiuddin@yahoo.com>
> To: tom nohwa <tom.nohwa@gmail.com>
> Cc: Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 5, 2007 10:07:12 PM
> Subject: Re: CCIE Important Interview Quesition asked by Sunrise, Swiss
>
> Hello Tom,
>
> sad to hear your story. However, I do NOT think that every new CCIE is
> treated that way. The problem you faced is not ccie-specific. After having
> a
> number of difficult interviews/ failing to secure a post I have re-modeled
> my view of the corporate world in general, and the hiring process in
> particular. It is easy to feel like "a victim of the cruel world" after
> the
> kind of experience you've had but before you fall in that trap, ask
> yourself
> the following questions:
>
> 1) Did that company genuinely have a vacancy or were they just going
> through
> a formal, annual business process requirement?
>
> 2) If the vacancy did exist, had the interviewers already picked their man
> and were just hearing out the remaining ones?
>
> NOTE: If the vacancy is not genuine or they've already picked their man,
> they are likely to give you a shoddy reason for rejecting you, such as
> "your
> french is poor" OR "I see, you nearly flunked the Artificial Intelligence
> course in college ! "
>
> 3) If they had NOT picked their man yet when you were interviewed, did
> your
> personality-type *clicked* with majority of the interviewers? In my
> experience, this is THE most important factor in determining whether or
> not
> you will be able to secure the job. The *clicking* happens when they like
> you as a person or would have made friends with you if you met at a party.
>
> 4) If they do *click* with you (or a majority of them does), do they think
> you can handle this job? They will consider both technical and
> non-technical
> skills, esp. communication skills in this era of service-orientation.
>
> 5) CCIE is a highly sought after certification in SOME parts of the world.
> You have much higher chances of securing a job based on ccie in growing
> telecom markets such as Australia and the Middle East. However, Its not a
> given that ccie will get you a job in your home country, home state and
> home
> town. What it will do is get you a job in most parts of the world.
>
> Wish you luck in future.
>
> - Ahsan
>
>
>
>
> tom nohwa <tom.nohwa@gmail.com> wrote: Hi all,
>
> This is to explain you my job search experience happened in Swiss after
> acquiring my CCIE. I am not sure how many of you have come across similar
> situation.
>
> I started my CCIE journey in the beginning of last year and passed the lab
> a
> few months ago. Later, I started contacting the ISPs, most of them never
> responded. I got an interview from one ISP which is the second largest
> ISP
> (Sunrise) in Swiss. During the interview, they did not ask any tech
> questions, instead they asked whether I would be *able to lift the router
> and fix it in the rack.* I was astonished to hear this question, but I
> said
> I would do it during the emergency situation. Then, I was asked to wait
> for few weeks. Few weeks later, I got the response that my French skill
> was very poor.
>
> I have now the following questions to my fellow experts:
>
> 1. I have seen only the English version of Cisco IOS. Do you know any
> French version?
> 2. Having 10+ years experience in networking and holding a degree in
> networking from the world famous university, I was never asked to answer
> any
> tech question. Instead, question like lifting the router and fixing it in
> the rack, always irritate me. Is this type of question asked to
> irritate/insult the CCIE?
> 3. Is it normal that companies don't respond to an CCIE's job
> applications
> (of course my nationality is mentioned in my CV)?
>
> Please let me know your comments as I hear that CCIEs are highly respected
> everywhere.
>
> Best,
> Joe.
>
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