From: Brad Ellis (brad@ccbootcamp.com)
Date: Fri Nov 02 2007 - 16:10:35 ART
Joe,
I've been staying out of these types of threads, but your response is
priceless. Harsh, but true.
I think the big issue is the use of groupstudy to promote a "competing"
type of a site. Paul works hard to maintain his site and nothing is more
disturbing than when someone uses his site to promote a competing or
commercial site. I've known Paul for years, and he hasn't stooped to the
point of whoring out his site for lots of $$$ to a commercial company
with self interests. Paul's intentions have always been good. So don't
take advantage of Paul's kindness and if you can't follow his rules,
stay off his site. :)
thanks,
Brad Ellis
CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
CCSI# 30482
CEO / President
CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com
Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Joseph Brunner
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:59 AM
To: CITE Administrator; cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: "CITE" Launch...Join the technical experts forum!
Importance: Low
So basically you're creating a haven for people too cheap to purchase
proper
tac support?
I'm too dumb|lazy|busy getting a Bl*wjob to read the documentation on
cisco's site, so I'll just ask my experienced, filtered, and accredited
colleagues...
Don't tell me you're looking for a raise and a bonus too come January,
right?
The good Cisco engineers can figure it all out on their own. The Great
ones
can figure it out, and not let anyone know how they did it.
And regarding your statement on "7 years Cisco experience" as apposed to
the
certs... we'll I have found out just because someone has been doing
something for 7,8,9,10,20 or more years, doesn't mean they are any good
at
it. So that group will probably suck if you are letting in "experienced"
people with no certs...
At least groupstudy is pushing us all to where we should be
ccna->ccnp->ccie
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
CITE
Administrator
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 10:20 AM
To: cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: "CITE" Launch...Join the technical experts forum!
Paul,
No disrespect intended. You certainly have a great list here; one I've
been
a part of for a long time and have appreciated all the help and
knowledge
from while pursuing my CCIE studies. But maybe this one time, your
concern
is misplaced and you have not thoroughly researched this thread and its
purpose.
As a long time member, I've found that (and I think many will agree) the
major theme of the groupstudy list has always come back to the fact that
it's a study group for either the CCIE lab or one of the other Cisco
certifications (i.e. the Cisco@groupstudy.com).
I have--personally--posted many times here when I have trouble with my
an
ASA configuration or MARS installation. I've also asked things about
scenarios which occur in my real-life work occurrences. In most every
situation, I receive either "push back", resistance, or never receive an
answer because it's either not relevant to the lab (or to studies),
people
don't know the answer, or people are just plain not wanting to see this
kind
of content on this mailing list. I can't count how many emails I've
seen in
the past month with the subject heading "real world" on it, and it's
been
quite a common occurrence through the years.
I was simply trying to create another resource dedicated for this
purpose--real world, real life situations that don't have anything to do
with studying for a certification, and even open to talking about other
technologies.
It was not meant to challenge or become competition to this group;
rather,
be an additional resource for the group members (those of whom would
probably find the most benefit from). If you wanted to create and
manage
this particular list and have it a part of another groupstudy mailing
list,
then by all means that would be fine with me (less work for me).
However,
if you are implying ignorance is the best rule-of-thumb, and that
groupstudy
is the be-all, end-all of anything and everything Cisco and
networking-related, then that is like trying to create a socialistic
environment where there's no flexibility, evolution or growth available
outside of your control.
I have seen many CCIE study vendors here posting various topics in a
"strategic" way to get people to use their materials; I've seen
recruiters
and headhunters sending emails to try and post jobs and such when they
should be exclusively using the "jobs" list. Likewise, I have seen many
people posting their own troubleshooting configurations when they really
should not have. Who can deny that there are certain topics that are
not
*supposed* to be discussed here?
I would hope/think you and many others would see this as an opportunity
for
growth and evolution; and not as a form of contention/competition.
Should
we let the group decide, as we always have whether this endeavor is
useful?
Thanks,
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Paul
Borghese
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 7:05 AM
To: cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: "CITE" Launch...Join the technical experts forum!
I pay over $400/month in server and access fees and all I ask of you is
that
you respect what I have built. I have been running GroupStudy since
1998
and have never once posted to another private list encouraging people to
join GroupStudy. Yet ever six months or so we get someone posting on
GroupStudy encouraging people to join their "new and better" list. I
have
yet to see one of those actually succeed.
If you do not like what I have done here, fine move on. But filling up
multiple lists with messages encouraging people to move to your own list
is
really unacceptable. If you were hosting a party would you appreciate
someone passing out flyers advertising another "better" party across the
street?
If you want to build your own community .. that is great. Just do so on
your own dime.
Frankly, the knowledge base on GroupStudy is astounding and I really do
not
see how taking a subset of that knowledge is going to be any
improvement.
But, to each his own.
Take care,
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
CCIE
#17302
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:22 PM
To: cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: OT: "CITE" Launch...Join the technical experts forum!
A lot of this is still a WiP, but we have the foundations of the group;
I'm
sure it will evolve over time. Please be patient regarding any bugs.
For those of you who have already signed up at LinkedIn, please ensure
your
full work history is listed in your profile. Also, an email will be
sent to
you with further instructions regarding the online certification tool.
For everyone: please remember that we are trying to create an "elite"
community (shall we say, "elitist?" :), so acceptance will be carefully
evaluated. As stated earlier, the purpose is to weed out the
entry-to-mid
level knowledge in favor of more complex and advanced experience.
Ok, here we go!
******* GROUP NAME *******
CITE (Consortium of Information Technology Experts)
******* PURPOSE/OVERVIEW *******
To provide a technical support resource for all group members based on
real-life/real-world scenarios, and whose members consist of technical
experts with a primarily Cisco-based background. All members should
exhibit
the highest standards of excellence, professionalism, and quality in
regards
to posting/emails and other correspondence. The group will strive to
maintain the highest levels of integrity and exclusivity regarding group
member evaluation and acceptance.
LinkedIn provides the public aspect of the group's identity, as well as
an
association to an established and respected community.
Google Groups provides the vehicle by which the questions, answers, and
ideas are exchanged
******* MEMBER REQUIREMENTS *******
1. Certified as a CCNA or CCDA in the past *
2. 7 years or more of direct Cisco industry experience
* If candidate has not achieved CCxA status, then they must receive a
referral from at least two CCIEs verifying their Cisco technical
expertise/knowledge, in the form of an email to the group administrator
******* MEMBERSHIP PROCEDURES FOR NEW MEMBERS *******
1. If not already existing, create a LinkedIn profile containing full
work
history
2. Follow this URL to request access to the group:
http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/39670/694BBF19E9C9
3. On the ensuing page, click the "notify group manager" link to send an
email request for membership. You will receive an auto reply that will
contain further instructions on certification validation.
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