From: Scott Vermillion (scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com)
Date: Fri Nov 02 2007 - 15:44:41 ART
Folks,
I started lurking in GS in 2001 when I picked up my CCDA and I think started
posting under "svermill" in Jan of 2002. I was strictly on the professional
board until I passed the written this past August. I have always had
respect for this CCIE lab list as a place for those with a booked date (or a
successful one in their past ;~) ). Seems not so many share my respect
these days. We've had a lot of folks posting questions and material to this
list that offer a clear indication that they are not now lab candidates, and
perhaps never will be (what was it yesterday or the day before, "what is
peering"? - PEERING??????? ON THE CCIE LAB PREP LIST????).
Unless I have to go on the road, I read 99% of the messages that hit my
inbox from this list. I don't terribly mind OT unless it's just shamelessly
an attempt at nabbing a share of a recruiting fee or it's something
blatantly lazy/uneducated, such as the above example from the other day.
But I find the idea of a board dedicated to OT and OT only perfectly
acceptable, and if anything, it would improve my personal experience here on
the list. I'd personally like to see a reduction in traffic not to do with
lab prep, not meant to inspire, or not meant to offer a little humor into an
otherwise sometimes difficult day. I'm not proposing to ban OT traffic at
all, I'm just suggesting that it might be actually helpful to us here if a
site were to exist that was dedicated to "how to solve complex xyz problem,
a little perspective might help nudge me in the right direction" vs. what
most wide-open real-world sites invariably devolve into (which inevitably is
"how to do the assignment my boss just gave me?? Pls post detailed
configuration for the environment I just failed to tell you about and be
quick about it, he'll be back any moment expecting me to be doing the
assignment instead of asking ya'll how to go about it").
And in posting this, I guess I've only added to the distraction...
Regards all and prosperous studies/lab prep,
Scott
(Loyal GS Member For Many Years Past and Many Years to Come)
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of CITE
Administrator
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:20 AM
To: cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: "CITE" Launch...Join the technical experts forum!
Paul,
No disrespect intended. You certainly have a great list here; one I've been
a part of for a long time and have appreciated all the help and knowledge
from while pursuing my CCIE studies. But maybe this one time, your concern
is misplaced and you have not thoroughly researched this thread and its
purpose.
As a long time member, I've found that (and I think many will agree) the
major theme of the groupstudy list has always come back to the fact that
it's a study group for either the CCIE lab or one of the other Cisco
certifications (i.e. the Cisco@groupstudy.com).
I have--personally--posted many times here when I have trouble with my an
ASA configuration or MARS installation. I've also asked things about
scenarios which occur in my real-life work occurrences. In most every
situation, I receive either "push back", resistance, or never receive an
answer because it's either not relevant to the lab (or to studies), people
don't know the answer, or people are just plain not wanting to see this kind
of content on this mailing list. I can't count how many emails I've seen in
the past month with the subject heading "real world" on it, and it's been
quite a common occurrence through the years.
I was simply trying to create another resource dedicated for this
purpose--real world, real life situations that don't have anything to do
with studying for a certification, and even open to talking about other
technologies.
It was not meant to challenge or become competition to this group; rather,
be an additional resource for the group members (those of whom would
probably find the most benefit from). If you wanted to create and manage
this particular list and have it a part of another groupstudy mailing list,
then by all means that would be fine with me (less work for me). However,
if you are implying ignorance is the best rule-of-thumb, and that groupstudy
is the be-all, end-all of anything and everything Cisco and
networking-related, then that is like trying to create a socialistic
environment where there's no flexibility, evolution or growth available
outside of your control.
I have seen many CCIE study vendors here posting various topics in a
"strategic" way to get people to use their materials; I've seen recruiters
and headhunters sending emails to try and post jobs and such when they
should be exclusively using the "jobs" list. Likewise, I have seen many
people posting their own troubleshooting configurations when they really
should not have. Who can deny that there are certain topics that are not
*supposed* to be discussed here?
I would hope/think you and many others would see this as an opportunity for
growth and evolution; and not as a form of contention/competition. Should
we let the group decide, as we always have whether this endeavor is useful?
Thanks,
Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Borghese
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 7:05 AM
To: cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: "CITE" Launch...Join the technical experts forum!
I pay over $400/month in server and access fees and all I ask of you is that
you respect what I have built. I have been running GroupStudy since 1998
and have never once posted to another private list encouraging people to
join GroupStudy. Yet ever six months or so we get someone posting on
GroupStudy encouraging people to join their "new and better" list. I have
yet to see one of those actually succeed.
If you do not like what I have done here, fine move on. But filling up
multiple lists with messages encouraging people to move to your own list is
really unacceptable. If you were hosting a party would you appreciate
someone passing out flyers advertising another "better" party across the
street?
If you want to build your own community .. that is great. Just do so on
your own dime.
Frankly, the knowledge base on GroupStudy is astounding and I really do not
see how taking a subset of that knowledge is going to be any improvement.
But, to each his own.
Take care,
Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of CCIE
#17302
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 7:22 PM
To: cisco@groupstudy.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: OT: "CITE" Launch...Join the technical experts forum!
A lot of this is still a WiP, but we have the foundations of the group; I'm
sure it will evolve over time. Please be patient regarding any bugs.
For those of you who have already signed up at LinkedIn, please ensure your
full work history is listed in your profile. Also, an email will be sent to
you with further instructions regarding the online certification tool.
For everyone: please remember that we are trying to create an "elite"
community (shall we say, "elitist?" :), so acceptance will be carefully
evaluated. As stated earlier, the purpose is to weed out the entry-to-mid
level knowledge in favor of more complex and advanced experience.
Ok, here we go!
******* GROUP NAME *******
CITE (Consortium of Information Technology Experts)
******* PURPOSE/OVERVIEW *******
To provide a technical support resource for all group members based on
real-life/real-world scenarios, and whose members consist of technical
experts with a primarily Cisco-based background. All members should exhibit
the highest standards of excellence, professionalism, and quality in regards
to posting/emails and other correspondence. The group will strive to
maintain the highest levels of integrity and exclusivity regarding group
member evaluation and acceptance.
LinkedIn provides the public aspect of the group's identity, as well as an
association to an established and respected community.
Google Groups provides the vehicle by which the questions, answers, and
ideas are exchanged
******* MEMBER REQUIREMENTS *******
1. Certified as a CCNA or CCDA in the past *
2. 7 years or more of direct Cisco industry experience
* If candidate has not achieved CCxA status, then they must receive a
referral from at least two CCIEs verifying their Cisco technical
expertise/knowledge, in the form of an email to the group administrator
******* MEMBERSHIP PROCEDURES FOR NEW MEMBERS *******
1. If not already existing, create a LinkedIn profile containing full work
history
2. Follow this URL to request access to the group:
http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/39670/694BBF19E9C9
3. On the ensuing page, click the "notify group manager" link to send an
email request for membership. You will receive an auto reply that will
contain further instructions on certification validation.
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