From: Guyler, Rik (rguyler@shp-dayton.org)
Date: Mon Oct 29 2007 - 09:41:25 ART
Heh...I missed the 2-day lab experience just by a hair but I'm thinking I
may have preferred it over the current format (I liked the hands-on aspect).
I seem to recall a pretty decent 3900 simulator going around back then as I
didn't have one to use in the lab.
Rik
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Darby Weaver
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 3:33 AM
To: Scott M Vermillion; 'David Prall'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: A Walk Down GS Memory Lane
Well losing points like for simple stuff sucks:
1 point drawing a diagram
1 point for TS
8 points for IPX (ACLs and Bit Flipping and translating RIFs) - I had to
know it for my first written in 2001 so not a total waste of time)
1-2 points for ATM
3 points for Dec
20 Points for TS - please give me point for playing with my console
settings, arp entries, frame settings, etc. or just changing my DCE/DTE
cables, maybe my change my lmi type or something like the clockrate or a
subnet mask somewhere or even an acl.
x points for lane
x points for lat
x points for apollo
x points for vines
3-5 points for appletalk - recall setup it up and filter it.
1-2 point for token ring - ringspeed anyone?
1 point for setting up the 3920 - menu-based - I bought 3 of these and a
module for my 5505's.
1 point for creating a usable IP Scheme
1 point for cabling
- X.25 may have been a topic as well -
3-5 point for basic dial-peers
3-5 points for dlsw
2-3 points IGRP
2-3 points RIPv1 (pretty much replaced with RIPv2)
6-8 points ISDN
Not sure if FDDI was on the lab - but it could have been - I don't recall
specifically ever seeing it listed.
Switching strangely was not as big topic as we know it today. Put ip
addresses on a managment interface, create vlans, assign vlans, etherchannel
came up at some point, SPAN was an issue, RSPAN - to what only one switch,
Routing on a stick was a cool topic of interest (100mb interfaces costed $$$
- I recall over $1000.00 an NP-1FE module or so - they were down to about
$200 each by 2003/4 or so).
Gear costed money in 2001 a 2522 or 2523 might cost nearly $2000.00 and a
2501 about $900-1200 or so. A Cat 5000 used on ebay - $5000.00 would have
been nice in 2000 and $2500-5000.00 in 2001/2002 or something like that -
that's when my partner bought us one as I recall. But we sold it with
getting much use besides hacking the password, updating the CatOS, and
setting it up a few times.
LS1010's costed a fortune to do the ATM piece and so we learned how to get
it to work back to back.
Spent too much time trying to do the same and finding out we could not with
ISDN. Had to break down and buy the simulator - got it figured out in time
for it to be removed from the lab.
Same for the 3920 - to be fair, I had this topic after I got my not one but
two Cat1600's.
Cisco sold simulators for a few topics and still does and these may have
helped more but the interface was not the best.
I still remember trying to read Giles' book back in 1999, thinking... who in
hell knows this stuff anyway?
I mean over the years there have been a lot of points that were relatively
easy that are now just gone. But also one was never guaranteed to see all
topics or any combination of topics.
Then remember one had to recall the various filters and ensure connectivity
back and forth.
Guys we did miss the good old days - there were lots of easy points if you
could just get a few technologies to work together. But think of the
confusion and madness with your diagram trying to keep each diagram
straight.
I can only imagine what the first labs were like when a person was allowed
to bring notes and have a partner too. So if one had actually got each
technology to work on a real lab (remember gear was scarce and $$$), then
the lab might be a measure easier, if not it was simply impossible.
Remember the first 5 years were a bit more...
interesting, but to be fair to the guys with CCIE Numbers lower than say
4500 or so...
There was not much commercial stuff available. One had to use whatever was
available from Cisco at the time - I'll have to look - cause you know I
still have DOC CD's from back in the day.
Imagine having to flip dip switches in the AGS, and setup TS with an MGS,
and all the fun of routing and bridging with the IGS and IOS 9.x - This is
the generation of gear for the earliest CCIE's.
The good old days right.
Lots of topics - a few points each...
--- Scott M Vermillion <scott@it-ag.com> wrote:
> Hi David!
>
> You know I purged all of my old study material a year or so back, but
> I think maybe IPX and Apple Talk *were* still a very obscure part of
> the associate tracks in '01. I don't recall their being a big part of
> the exams at all, but I do think they still got at least passing
> mention in most of the study books of the day. Token ring also got
> mention too, but I don't think as a test subject so much as a
> footnote. FDDI was probably as close to a LAN/MAN ring topology as I
> ever came in the real world (sometime back probably in the mid 90s).
>
> As for Chaos and Pup, they sound like rather exotic breeds to me...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Scott
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Prall [mailto:dcp@dcptech.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 9:28 PM
> To: 'Scott M Vermillion'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: A Walk Down GS Memory Lane
>
> I had Token Ring, it was just before the 3920 was a requirement. IPX
> and AppleTalk were around. DEC had just been removed. I knew more
> about these protocols then IP at the time. I wasn't bad with IP to say
> the least, just a lot more hands on with the others. I've also played
> with Apollo and Banyan Vines in the real world. Chaos and Pup just to
> see if I could configure them.
>
> David
>
> --
> http://dcp.dcptech.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf Of Scott M Vermillion
> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 11:04 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: OT: A Walk Down GS Memory Lane
> >
> > LOL, I was given some pretty good suggestions for
> searching
> > GS sans a GS
> > search function. One thing that I stumbled across
> that
> > really tickled me
> > was this:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.groupstudy.com/notes/
> >
> >
> >
> > I've been around these parts (the non-CCIE parts,
> that is)
> > since circa 2001
> > but I can't honestly claim to remember DEC, IPX,
> and Token
> > Ring RIF as ever
> > being hot topics (I couldn't help but note that
> the RIF section was
> > "updated" in '99, LOL). I'm not sure exactly why,
> but this
> > strikes me as a
> > lot like looking at a photo from the seventies or
> maybe
> > eighties.thought I
> > would share.
> >
> >
>
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