From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Oct 28 2007 - 04:32:40 ART
Well losing points like for simple stuff sucks:
1 point drawing a diagram
1 point for TS
8 points for IPX (ACLs and Bit Flipping and
translating RIFs) - I had to know it for my first
written in 2001 so not a total waste of time)
1-2 points for ATM
3 points for Dec
20 Points for TS - please give me point for playing
with my console settings, arp entries, frame settings,
etc. or just changing my DCE/DTE cables, maybe my
change my lmi type or something like the clockrate or
a subnet mask somewhere or even an acl.
x points for lane
x points for lat
x points for apollo
x points for vines
3-5 points for appletalk - recall setup it up and
filter it.
1-2 point for token ring - ringspeed anyone?
1 point for setting up the 3920 - menu-based - I
bought 3 of these and a module for my 5505's.
1 point for creating a usable IP Scheme
1 point for cabling
- X.25 may have been a topic as well -
3-5 point for basic dial-peers
3-5 points for dlsw
2-3 points IGRP
2-3 points RIPv1 (pretty much replaced with RIPv2)
6-8 points ISDN
Not sure if FDDI was on the lab - but it could have
been - I don't recall specifically ever seeing it
listed.
Switching strangely was not as big topic as we know it
today. Put ip addresses on a managment interface,
create vlans, assign vlans, etherchannel came up at
some point, SPAN was an issue, RSPAN - to what only
one switch, Routing on a stick was a cool topic of
interest (100mb interfaces costed $$$ - I recall over
$1000.00 an NP-1FE module or so - they were down to
about $200 each by 2003/4 or so).
Gear costed money in 2001 a 2522 or 2523 might cost
nearly $2000.00 and a 2501 about $900-1200 or so. A
Cat 5000 used on ebay - $5000.00 would have been nice
in 2000 and $2500-5000.00 in 2001/2002 or something
like that - that's when my partner bought us one as I
recall. But we sold it with getting much use besides
hacking the password, updating the CatOS, and setting
it up a few times.
LS1010's costed a fortune to do the ATM piece and so
we learned how to get it to work back to back.
Spent too much time trying to do the same and finding
out we could not with ISDN. Had to break down and buy
the simulator - got it figured out in time for it to
be removed from the lab.
Same for the 3920 - to be fair, I had this topic after
I got my not one but two Cat1600's.
Cisco sold simulators for a few topics and still does
and these may have helped more but the interface was
not the best.
I still remember trying to read Giles' book back in
1999, thinking... who in hell knows this stuff anyway?
I mean over the years there have been a lot of points
that were relatively easy that are now just gone. But
also one was never guaranteed to see all topics or any
combination of topics.
Then remember one had to recall the various filters
and ensure connectivity back and forth.
Guys we did miss the good old days - there were lots
of easy points if you could just get a few
technologies to work together. But think of the
confusion and madness with your diagram trying to keep
each diagram straight.
I can only imagine what the first labs were like when
a person was allowed to bring notes and have a partner
too. So if one had actually got each technology to
work on a real lab (remember gear was scarce and $$$),
then the lab might be a measure easier, if not it was
simply impossible.
Remember the first 5 years were a bit more...
interesting, but to be fair to the guys with CCIE
Numbers lower than say 4500 or so...
There was not much commercial stuff available. One
had to use whatever was available from Cisco at the
time - I'll have to look - cause you know I still have
DOC CD's from back in the day.
Imagine having to flip dip switches in the AGS, and
setup TS with an MGS, and all the fun of routing and
bridging with the IGS and IOS 9.x - This is the
generation of gear for the earliest CCIE's.
The good old days right.
Lots of topics - a few points each...
--- Scott M Vermillion <scott@it-ag.com> wrote:
> Hi David!
>
> You know I purged all of my old study material a
> year or so back, but I
> think maybe IPX and Apple Talk *were* still a very
> obscure part of the
> associate tracks in '01. I don't recall their being
> a big part of the exams
> at all, but I do think they still got at least
> passing mention in most of
> the study books of the day. Token ring also got
> mention too, but I don't
> think as a test subject so much as a footnote. FDDI
> was probably as close
> to a LAN/MAN ring topology as I ever came in the
> real world (sometime back
> probably in the mid 90s).
>
> As for Chaos and Pup, they sound like rather exotic
> breeds to me...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Scott
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Prall [mailto:dcp@dcptech.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 9:28 PM
> To: 'Scott M Vermillion'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: A Walk Down GS Memory Lane
>
> I had Token Ring, it was just before the 3920 was a
> requirement. IPX and
> AppleTalk were around. DEC had just been removed. I
> knew more about these
> protocols then IP at the time. I wasn't bad with IP
> to say the least, just a
> lot more hands on with the others. I've also played
> with Apollo and Banyan
> Vines in the real world. Chaos and Pup just to see
> if I could configure
> them.
>
> David
>
> --
> http://dcp.dcptech.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > Behalf Of Scott M Vermillion
> > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 11:04 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: OT: A Walk Down GS Memory Lane
> >
> > LOL, I was given some pretty good suggestions for
> searching
> > GS sans a GS
> > search function. One thing that I stumbled across
> that
> > really tickled me
> > was this:
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.groupstudy.com/notes/
> >
> >
> >
> > I've been around these parts (the non-CCIE parts,
> that is)
> > since circa 2001
> > but I can't honestly claim to remember DEC, IPX,
> and Token
> > Ring RIF as ever
> > being hot topics (I couldn't help but note that
> the RIF section was
> > "updated" in '99, LOL). I'm not sure exactly why,
> but this
> > strikes me as a
> > lot like looking at a photo from the seventies or
> maybe
> > eighties.thought I
> > would share.
> >
> >
>
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