From: Jason W. Miller (jaymiller5@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Oct 25 2007 - 08:51:44 ART
Please stop posting on this. Everyone including myself has had enough!!
If you feel the need to reply send it unicast as no one cares.
On 10/25/07, nrf <noglikirf@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> To: "'nrf'" <noglikirf@hotmail.com>; "'Darby Weaver'"
> <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>; "'Schoeneman Steve'" <gs@grimnotions.com>
> Cc: <smorris@ipexpert.com>; "'istong'" <istong@stong.org>;
> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>; <security@groupstudy.com>;
> <comserv@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:40 AM
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
>
> > Nrf;
> >
> > I can word "go to the store and buy ice cream" in a complex task, you may
> > struggle to figure out.
> >
> > Think of the fun the test writers have with all the ways we can switch,
> > and
> > everything else on the doc cd under 3550/3560.
> >
> > Also you're very wrong about their not being many switching points... I
> > can
> > assure you I voted for President in 1996. There were more points in
> > switching tasks (yes configured on switches) than the quantity of years I
> > have been alive. So you can lose enough points in switching quite easily
> > to
> > FAIL THE ENTIRE EXAM, even if the rest is PERFECT.
> >
> > Perhaps you should sit the lab again. I'm not saying they were the hardest
> > points, but I didn't get all of them. So I went back to reading the DOC CD
> > even deeper.
>
> Once again, for all of those people who have apparently chosen not to read
> my posts carefully, I will say it one more time:
>
> I have never said, nor did I ever imply that there aren't any switching
> tasks AT ALL on the exam.
>
> What I said is that there are not THAT many switching tasks on the exam, and
> in particular, are clearly not as many switching tasks as there are routing
> tasks. Yet nobody seriously disputes that Cisco can probably create a quite
> good routing emulator.
>
> Heck, what is the Quagga open-source project but basically a routing
> application? Yet seems to me that Quagga (as well as Zebra and gateD) are
> quite decent routing applications. Granted, they aren't full IOS emulators.
> But, be honest, how hard would it be for Cisco to make one of those? If
> the open-source boys can make some pretty decent routing applications, then
> I hardly think it is a stretch for Cisco itself to make a pretty decent IOS
> routing emulator. And from there, I think we can agree that Cisco could
> then also make a pretty decent switch simulator.
>
> Nevertheless, the takehome point is to simply READ WHAT I ACTUALLY WROTE
> before you reply to it. If anybody wants to debate with me why writing a
> switching emulator would be an unusually onerous task for Cisco to write, I
> am happy to have such a discussion. That is the terms of discussion. But
> please, before you debate me, please read what I wrote.
>
>
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > nrf
> > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:55 AM
> > To: Darby Weaver; Schoeneman Steve
> > Cc: smorris@ipexpert.com; 'istong'; ccielab@groupstudy.com;
> > security@groupstudy.com; comserv@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > To: "Schoeneman Steve" <gs@grimnotions.com>; "nrf" <noglikirf@hotmail.com>
> > Cc: <smorris@ipexpert.com>; "'istong'" <istong@stong.org>;
> > <ccielab@groupstudy.com>; <security@groupstudy.com>;
> > <comserv@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 7:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> >
> >
> >> Dude,
> >>
> >> If you think Switching and Bridging are not part of
> >> the lab, you have not been... or you slept through it.
> >
> > Uh, when did I say that switching and bridging are not part of the lab "at
> > all"?
> >
> > I simply said that switching and bridging don't comprise VERY MUCH of the
> > lab, and, more importantly, that, frankly, there aren't THAT MANY commands
> > in switching anyway. That's because switches, frankly, aren't
> > particularly
> > complicated pieces of gear from a configuration standpoint, relative to
> > routers. Most of the power of a switch rests in the fabric. But on the
> > lab, that doesn't really matter because, unlike a regular
> > production-network, you're not pushing a lot of traffic through your
> > 'virtual network'. Hence, it would not be that difficult for an emulator
> > to
> >
> > present a bunch of switches.
> >
> > Think about it. On the lab, are you even pushing 1Mbps of frames
> > consistently through any of your switches? Heck, are you even pushing
> > 1Kbps? I think not. So why would such switch behavior be so hard to
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-- ~Jay~
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