From: nrf (noglikirf@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Oct 25 2007 - 08:16:27 ART
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
To: "'nrf'" <noglikirf@hotmail.com>; "'Darby Weaver'"
<darbyweaver@yahoo.com>; "'Schoeneman Steve'" <gs@grimnotions.com>
Cc: <smorris@ipexpert.com>; "'istong'" <istong@stong.org>;
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>; <security@groupstudy.com>;
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Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:40 AM
Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> Nrf;
>
> I can word "go to the store and buy ice cream" in a complex task, you may
> struggle to figure out.
>
> Think of the fun the test writers have with all the ways we can switch,
> and
> everything else on the doc cd under 3550/3560.
>
> Also you're very wrong about their not being many switching points... I
> can
> assure you I voted for President in 1996. There were more points in
> switching tasks (yes configured on switches) than the quantity of years I
> have been alive. So you can lose enough points in switching quite easily
> to
> FAIL THE ENTIRE EXAM, even if the rest is PERFECT.
>
> Perhaps you should sit the lab again. I'm not saying they were the hardest
> points, but I didn't get all of them. So I went back to reading the DOC CD
> even deeper.
Once again, for all of those people who have apparently chosen not to read
my posts carefully, I will say it one more time:
I have never said, nor did I ever imply that there aren't any switching
tasks AT ALL on the exam.
What I said is that there are not THAT many switching tasks on the exam, and
in particular, are clearly not as many switching tasks as there are routing
tasks. Yet nobody seriously disputes that Cisco can probably create a quite
good routing emulator.
Heck, what is the Quagga open-source project but basically a routing
application? Yet seems to me that Quagga (as well as Zebra and gateD) are
quite decent routing applications. Granted, they aren't full IOS emulators.
But, be honest, how hard would it be for Cisco to make one of those? If
the open-source boys can make some pretty decent routing applications, then
I hardly think it is a stretch for Cisco itself to make a pretty decent IOS
routing emulator. And from there, I think we can agree that Cisco could
then also make a pretty decent switch simulator.
Nevertheless, the takehome point is to simply READ WHAT I ACTUALLY WROTE
before you reply to it. If anybody wants to debate with me why writing a
switching emulator would be an unusually onerous task for Cisco to write, I
am happy to have such a discussion. That is the terms of discussion. But
please, before you debate me, please read what I wrote.
>
> -Joe
>
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> nrf
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 12:55 AM
> To: Darby Weaver; Schoeneman Steve
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> Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> To: "Schoeneman Steve" <gs@grimnotions.com>; "nrf" <noglikirf@hotmail.com>
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> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 7:50 PM
> Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
>
>> Dude,
>>
>> If you think Switching and Bridging are not part of
>> the lab, you have not been... or you slept through it.
>
> Uh, when did I say that switching and bridging are not part of the lab "at
> all"?
>
> I simply said that switching and bridging don't comprise VERY MUCH of the
> lab, and, more importantly, that, frankly, there aren't THAT MANY commands
> in switching anyway. That's because switches, frankly, aren't
> particularly
> complicated pieces of gear from a configuration standpoint, relative to
> routers. Most of the power of a switch rests in the fabric. But on the
> lab, that doesn't really matter because, unlike a regular
> production-network, you're not pushing a lot of traffic through your
> 'virtual network'. Hence, it would not be that difficult for an emulator
> to
>
> present a bunch of switches.
>
> Think about it. On the lab, are you even pushing 1Mbps of frames
> consistently through any of your switches? Heck, are you even pushing
> 1Kbps? I think not. So why would such switch behavior be so hard to
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