From: Gary Duncanson (gary.duncanson@googlemail.com)
Date: Mon Oct 22 2007 - 20:04:56 ART
I agree with that Derick. I find I get a lot of milage out of verification
as I go.
Gary
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From: <DWINKWORTH@wi.rr.com>
To: "CCIEin2006" <ciscocciein2006@gmail.com>
Cc: "Gregory Gombas" <ggombas@gmail.com>; "Cisco certification"
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: Here's and idea for a new workbook... and ambiguities...
> I'm going to combine the "ambiguity" thread with this one in this
> response.
>
> It is not always straightforward what you need to do in the
> InternetworkExpert workbook. Or in the netmasterclass workbook... or
> probably the IPExpert workbook.
>
> For some tasks... you CAN'T know what to do until you have determined
> what needs to be done for one or more other tasks. These tasks are
> inter-dependent. They form an "arch" in the practice lab. Even if you
> read the whole lab before hand and try to figure out which tasks will
> impact each other, you need to be prepared for the event that one task
> seems to be negatively impacted by some 1st, 2nd, or 3rd order effect
> of feature/functionality you configured for another task... on the same
> router, a next-hop router, or a router three hops away.
>
> To this end, the answer to one task which is ambiguous, will become
> apparent in another task or combination of tasks.
>
> It is genuinely misleading to say that you should be able to read and
> predict all of this before you go to configure the routers in any
> practice lab. You should be validating periodically and ensuring that
> your prior task items still look how you think they should look.
>
> That is what really distinguishes the vendors in my opinion. Some of
> them really know how to put these archs together so that you learn how
> to use the features/functionality of the router to solve problems.
>
> Which is really what the lab is all about.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: CCIEin2006 <ciscocciein2006@gmail.com>
> Date: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:26 am
> Subject: Re: Here's and idea for a new workbook - CCIE Riddles!
> To: Gregory Gombas <ggombas@gmail.com>
> Cc: Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>
>> I agree.
>>
>> From a technical standpoint vendor workbooks are excellent - they
>> help you
>> learn the technologies inside out. And as Brian Dennis says, they
>> try not to
>> focus on stupid router tricks.
>>
>> Unfortunately I think the lab has become more about stupid router
>> tricksthan core technologies. Or I should say more about stupid
>> task wording than
>> core technologies. They expect everyone to already know the core
>> technologies, so why bother focusing on those?
>>
>> Because vendors write their labs with the intention to teach you the
>> technologies, they make the questions as straightforward as possible.
>>
>> When I pick up an IE lab I know exactly what they are asking me to
>> do. The
>> diagram is beautiful, full color, and easy to read (no I don't own
>> stock in
>> IE). Lines are clearly drawn and you know exactly what kind of
>> connection to
>> configure.
>>
>> Without breaking the NDA, lets just say in the real lab the
>> diagrams are not
>> so pretty. I wasted a good hour trying to figure out what one of the
>> connections was because it was not specified in the lab what kind of
>> connection to use and the diagram was not clear. The proctor was
>> of course
>> no help.
>>
>> Also, as others have mentioned, the wording that the workbook
>> vendors use is
>> very straight forward. If they want you to confiugre BGP
>> confederations,they'll say "hey dummy, configure BGP using
>> confederation id 65222 and peer
>> R1 to R2 blah blah blah."
>>
>> In the lab they might say something like "configure these routers
>> using the
>> guidelines set forth in RFC 3065." Well maybe that's a bad
>> example, but you
>> get my drift...
>>
>> My 2cents.
>>
>>
>> On 10/22/07, Gregory Gombas <ggombas@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I have a suggestion for CCIE vendors...
>> >
>> > With all the recent talk about ambiguity of the lab questions,
>> why not
>> > write a study guide called CCIE riddles? They don't have to have
>> full> lab scenarios, just different word puzzles that will make
>> you think
>> > hard about what the task is asking you to do.
>> >
>> > Here's and example:
>> > You're manager, who is not very technical, has tasked you to
>> design a
>> > new network in the San Jose office using routers R1 - R4. He has not
>> > told you which routing protocol to use, but if you had your
>> drothers,> you would configure R3 and R4 to not talk to one another.
>> >
>> > Answer:
>> > Configure OSPF with R1 and R2 as DR and BDR. R3 and R4 will be
>> DROTHER> state.
>> >
>> > What do you guys think?
>> >
>> >
>>
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