From: Darby Weaver (darbyweaver@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Oct 20 2007 - 20:50:19 ART
Dude,
If you think Switching and Bridging are not part of
the lab, you have not been... or you slept through it.
Routing and Switching...
If you add misc. tasks that can be performed on either
then... if it ain't 50/50, then it is more
switching...
Got some news for ya...
BTW - NRF, are you planning to sit the lab at all?
When's your datet with the devil?
--- Schoeneman Steve <gs@grimnotions.com> wrote:
> I beg to differ. I just sat for the exam on Oct.
> 17th and there were
> a great deal of switching/bridging tasks.
>
> Steve
>
> On Oct 20, 2007, at 2:41 PM, nrf wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Morris"
>
> > <smorris@ipexpert.com>
> > To: "'nrf'" <noglikirf@hotmail.com>; "'istong'"
> <istong@stong.org>
> > Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>;
> <security@groupstudy.com>;
> > <comserv@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:46 PM
> > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> >
> >
> >> It's called IOU. Or third party it's called
> Dynamips.
> >>
> >> However, you can't emulate all the ASICs and
> other things in a
> >> switch.
> >
> > But why would you need to? As I'm sure we know,
> the CCIE exam
> > ain't that "switch-heavy".
> >
> > I very strongly suspect that the switch functions
> that are on the
> > exam can all be successfully emulated. Come on,
> like I said,
> > you're not exactly loading the switch capacity
> very much on the
> > exam. In fact, you're hardly loading the capacity
> at all.
> >
> >> And
> >> what benefit would the virtualization have for
> Cisco? Increasing
> >> the number
> >> of seats?
> >
> > That's a pretty big benefit. After all, it gets
> to the fundamental
> > question of why Cisco even runs the CCIE exam in
> the first place.
> > Presumably it does so to provide a reliable
> credentialing signal to
> > the market. But that reliable is compromised
> when some people who
> > probably could pass the exam have to wait for
> months on end just to
> > get a seat.
> >
> > But there are more benefits than that. See below.
> >
> >>
> >> That's very shortsighted to believe that's where
> the shortfall is.
> >>
> >> Cisco kinda owns their equipment already, so
> "purchasing" it
> >> internally is
> >> not that big of a deal. Space isn't that big of
> a deal.
> >
> > But building a proper emulator is also not that
> big of a deal. In
> > fact, arguably, it's less of a big of a deal than
> dealing with all
> > of that hardware and that space. The simple labor
> of operating all
> > that hardware and space is a big deal.
> >
> > For example, right now, every time you roll out
> some new piece of
> > hardware into the lab, you have to send out
> working gear to each
> > lab. You have to have somebody test it and
> maintain it. You have
> > to have spares available in case one of them conks
> out during
> > somebody's test. All of that can be obviated by
> just making
> > everything virtual. Overall, the capex and opex
> probably declines.
> >
> >
> >> They have LOTS of
> >> buildings.
> >
> > But that's endogenous. The reason why they have
> so many buildings
> > is PRECISELY because they know that some of the
> space will need to
> > be used for test space. If they had a virtual
> system, they
> > wouldn't need so much space. It would also mean
> that they could
> > continue to grow without having to acquire yet
> more real estate
> > because they could repurpose that lab space.
> >
> >> It's people. Proctors. That's the shortfall.
> That's the most
> >> important part, and the hardest to fill.
> >>
> >> Cisco is working on things right now (see
> discussion re: New Lab
> >> Locations)
> >> to find other ways to remotely adminster exams.
> None of them have
> >> anything
> >> to do with virtualization though. That would be
> silly to
> >> introduce more
> >> points of confusion or errors into the
> standardized setup.
> >>
> >> The number of available seats on any given day is
> not contrained
> >> by physical
> >> space or equipment. It's contrained by a
> candidate to proctor ratio.
> >>
> >> Think.
> >
> > Uh, trust me, I AM thinking, thank you very much.
> >
> > Even a proctor problem can be solved (or at least
> aided) by
> > virtualization. Why not have all of the proctors
> available
> > remotely? Why not connect them to users via, say,
>
> > videoconferencing or web-conferencing. Why
> exactly do you need a
> > PHYSICAL proctor right there? Like I said, I
> thought Cisco was
> > supposed to be a networking company. If any
> company is supposed to
> > know all about the benefits of teleworking and
> e-learning, it would
> > be Cisco.
> >
> > Think about it.
> >
>
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