From: nrf (noglikirf@hotmail.com)
Date: Sat Oct 20 2007 - 18:41:30 ART
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From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
To: "'nrf'" <noglikirf@hotmail.com>; "'istong'" <istong@stong.org>
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Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 1:46 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> It's called IOU. Or third party it's called Dynamips.
>
> However, you can't emulate all the ASICs and other things in a switch.
But why would you need to? As I'm sure we know, the CCIE exam ain't that
"switch-heavy".
I very strongly suspect that the switch functions that are on the exam can
all be successfully emulated. Come on, like I said, you're not exactly
loading the switch capacity very much on the exam. In fact, you're hardly
loading the capacity at all.
> And
> what benefit would the virtualization have for Cisco? Increasing the
> number
> of seats?
That's a pretty big benefit. After all, it gets to the fundamental question
of why Cisco even runs the CCIE exam in the first place. Presumably it does
so to provide a reliable credentialing signal to the market. But that
reliable is compromised when some people who probably could pass the exam
have to wait for months on end just to get a seat.
But there are more benefits than that. See below.
>
> That's very shortsighted to believe that's where the shortfall is.
>
> Cisco kinda owns their equipment already, so "purchasing" it internally is
> not that big of a deal. Space isn't that big of a deal.
But building a proper emulator is also not that big of a deal. In fact,
arguably, it's less of a big of a deal than dealing with all of that
hardware and that space. The simple labor of operating all that hardware
and space is a big deal.
For example, right now, every time you roll out some new piece of hardware
into the lab, you have to send out working gear to each lab. You have to
have somebody test it and maintain it. You have to have spares available in
case one of them conks out during somebody's test. All of that can be
obviated by just making everything virtual. Overall, the capex and opex
probably declines.
>They have LOTS of
> buildings.
But that's endogenous. The reason why they have so many buildings is
PRECISELY because they know that some of the space will need to be used for
test space. If they had a virtual system, they wouldn't need so much
space. It would also mean that they could continue to grow without having
to acquire yet more real estate because they could repurpose that lab space.
>It's people. Proctors. That's the shortfall. That's the most
> important part, and the hardest to fill.
>
> Cisco is working on things right now (see discussion re: New Lab
> Locations)
> to find other ways to remotely adminster exams. None of them have
> anything
> to do with virtualization though. That would be silly to introduce more
> points of confusion or errors into the standardized setup.
>
> The number of available seats on any given day is not contrained by
> physical
> space or equipment. It's contrained by a candidate to proctor ratio.
>
> Think.
Uh, trust me, I AM thinking, thank you very much.
Even a proctor problem can be solved (or at least aided) by virtualization.
Why not have all of the proctors available remotely? Why not connect them
to users via, say, videoconferencing or web-conferencing. Why exactly do
you need a PHYSICAL proctor right there? Like I said, I thought Cisco was
supposed to be a networking company. If any company is supposed to know all
about the benefits of teleworking and e-learning, it would be Cisco.
Think about it.
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