From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Oct 19 2007 - 19:02:53 ART
Have you seen every work book froom every vendor out there?
On 10/19/07, darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I suppose I should clarify abit more. Its not just about the switching
> topics, its about how they teach them to you, and the way they build their
> scenarios. They totally revamped their switching in V4, where other
> vendors
> just slapped two more switches in and did not add much to it, or did not
> even change the base layer 2 topology to accomidate diverse scenarios.
> Thats
> what I am really getting at. They put a lot of work
> into the switching training.
>
> On 10/19/07, darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Darby,
> >
> > I just meant to say that IEWB covers all the switching
> > topics, scenario wise, better than the other vendors I have used (2
> others).
> > The ways of configuring etherchannel are few, I agree with these points.
> > IEWB gives you lots of the same each lab, and manage to introduce
> something
> > new in each lab as far as switching. It was honestly very diverse IMO.
> >
> > If I was to break it out in Scotts language, I would have thrown 2 die
> 20,
> > and cast a fireball of death with my level 4 mage on the switching
> topics.
> > Sorry Scott LOL LOL!!
> >
> > On 10/18/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Amen!
> > >
> > > Think about this one:
> > >
> > > I'm discussing the candidate default route and its
> > > usage in practice labs and its potential of being an
> > > easy feature, that might be easily misunderstood if
> > > encountered in a graded lab environment and if one
> > > either takes it for granted and/or does not properly
> > > understand its potential for being a valuable tool.
> > >
> > > Some people wandered what it does, others though "ip
> > > default-route" might be considered a static route, and
> > > most people seem to have declined to comment or form
> > > and opinion for whatever reasons...
> > >
> > > Now if one is asked to ensure full reachability and
> > > there is a layer two device with only an ip address
> > > but "no ip routing" in effect...
> > >
> > > How do you communicate this device's ip address to the
> > > rest of your pod?
> > >
> > > You know the usage of nat did come up and so did using
> > > policy routing...
> > >
> > > But no one (from that forum) had yet considered using
> > > the candidate default as a tool in this scenario or
> > > one similar to it.
> > >
> > >
> > > So... since this may be a tool required to get a
> > > switch's ip addressess propagated to the rest of the
> > > pod, maybe it is a useful discussion and maybe not.
> > >
> > > Just another thought on tools and switching and things
> > > that get over-looked sometimes.
> > >
> > > Kinda like bridging... and fallback bridging...
> > >
> > > Again just a thought...
> > >
> > > Val beat this one into me... and it took a while for
> > > the lights to come on...
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The same can be said about any task... Most things,
> > > > when broken down, are
> > > > very simple. However, many people get hung up in
> > > > the basics without being
> > > > able to see that.
> > > >
> > > > And oftentimes, the problems occur at the
> > > > interaction of tasks, not any one
> > > > thing by itself! So knowing "how to configure"
> > > > something doesn't
> > > > necessarily help with how it works.
> > > >
> > > > I think that the Brians' or anyone's workbook will
> > > > provide a number of
> > > > different samples of things, some similar, some not,
> > > > but it's not just one
> > > > individual thing that makes a lab good or bad. Just
> > > > as it's not just one
> > > > individual thing that makes someone fail a lab
> > > > attempt.
> > > >
> > > > Look for the details though. The devil is in there
> > > > (not trying to pull too
> > > > much on what DR was talking about!). Most people
> > > > fail because of small
> > > > simple things, although at the time they most
> > > > certainly don't seem that way!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service
> > > > Provider) #4713, JNCIE-M
> > > > #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
> > > > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
> > > > VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc.
> > > > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor
> > > >
> > > > A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning
> > > > Credits!
> > > >
> > > > smorris@ipexpert.com
> > > >
> > > > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> > > > Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> > > > http://www.ipexpert.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Darby Weaver
> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:59 PM
> > > > To: darth router
> > > > Cc: bdennis@internetworkexpert.com; shiran guez;
> > > > CCIE.LAB;
> > > > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: Re: IEWB sample lab - switching approach
> > > >
> > > > DR,
> > > >
> > > > When they put every scenario in their worbooks...
> > > > it really does not leave
> > > > out the possiblity that one might come across a
> > > > similar scenario in either
> > > > another workbook or even the lab.
> > > >
> > > > The possibilities are finite as Brain MaGahan stated
> > > > previously...
> > > >
> > > > But you know this already...
> > > >
> > > > I mean how many ways are there to configure
> > > > etherchannel?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > IEs switching in v 4 is pretty kick ass (Brian,
> > > > free stuff over here
> > > > > for that plug!). Sometimes they give you all
> > > > configs, sometimes you
> > > > > are forced to draw a painful Layer 2 diagram out
> > > > to figure stuff out.
> > > > > Sometimes I ponder whether the Brians are psychic,
> > > > or possibly made a
> > > > > deal with satan to know how to put the "right"
> > > > switching in their
> > > > > workbooks to best prepare you for the lab.
> > > > >
> > > > > DR
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10/18/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good point.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm just going through the first couple of labs
> > > > in
> > > > > > version 4 and have not yet made that distinction
> > > > > yet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I did recall that being an issue from about
> > > > > version 2,
> > > > > > I think, when I had went to NMC's bootcamp, and
> > > > > took
> > > > > > me a bit to overcome since I was considerably
> > > > > weaker
> > > > > > with switching at the time (about lethargic),
> > > > and
> > > > > used
> > > > > > the chart as a "crutch" and when it was
> > > > removed...
> > > > > I
> > > > > > trembled and fell a bit - but that was a
> > > > reference
> > > > > to
> > > > > > a past event from about 2 years ago and may not
> > > > > > represent the current product at all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The current product is much improved by the way.
> > > >
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > > impressed that each lab appears to have nearly
> > > > 100
> > > > > > pages more or less of very well written and
> > > > easily
> > > > > > understood descriptions of exactly what is
> > > > > happeing in
> > > > > > each lab.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And I'll tell you another thing, and this is
> > > > > premature
> > > > > > since I'm only on the third one and there are at
> > > > > least
> > > > > > 7 available at the moment, those COD's that you
> > > > > guys
> > > > > > have taken the time to create... are the best
> > > > > thing
> > > > > > since sliced bread.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I watch so many questions get asked over the
> > > > years
> > > > > > hear on GS, you know the how or why, etc. Why
> > > > > this
> > > > > > solution versus these other 2 or 3... And you
> > > > > guys
> > > > > > hit PAYDIRT... with the COD. I was surprised at
> > > > > how
> > > > > > much you packed in and did so, incredibly
> > > > > concisely
> > > > > > too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The product is FANTASTIC! I understand that
> > > > > others
> > > > > > are following this trend. The pricing is great
> > > > > and
> > > > > > the value is there...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Talk about taking a handful of labs, say just
> > > > labs
> > > > > 1-5
> > > > > > or 1-7 and just mastering them. Know the
> > > > why/why
> > > > > not
> > > > > > and taking the time to enjoy the mastery of some
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the more complex issues discussed in each lab.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The COD's allow one to do this, verus spending a
> > > > > lot
> > > > > > of time second guessing solutions - happens alot
> > > > > on
> > > > > > this list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So 100 pages or so of descriptions and breakdown
> > > > > and
> > > > > > then a carefully worded COD... that spots the
> > > > > > issues...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kewl idea brought to life and masterfully
> > > > > executed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Brian Dennis
> > > > <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Darby,
> > > > > > > In version 4 of the IEWB Vol 2 Workbook
> > > > there
> > > > > > > isn't a "style" to how
> > > > > > > the VLANs are given. There was a "style" in
> > > > > version
> > > > > > > 3 to how things
> > > > > > > were done but in version 4 you will find that
> > > > > there
> > > > > > > are many "things"
> > > > > > > done differently between the labs. Sometimes
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > get the VLAN
> > > > > > > information in a table, sometimes through the
> > > > > output
> > > > > > > of various show
> > > > > > > commands, sometimes you are asked to determine
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > VLANs needed by
> > > > > > > referencing the diagram and finally sometimes
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > are already done for
> > > > > > > you in the initial configurations.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210
> > > > > (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> > > > > > > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > > > > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > > > > > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > > > > > > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and
> > > > Canada)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: IEWB sample lab - switching
> > > > > approach
> > > > > > > Date: Wed, October 17, 2007 21:08
> > > > > > > From: "Darby Weaver" < darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I would not fall in love with any vendor's
> > > > > style
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > how they depict the VLAN's given.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Since you never know what you may be given
> > > > as
> > > > > (an)
> > > > > > > > exhibit(s) and you never know what may be
> > > > > asked
> > > > > > > later
> > > > > > > > that may not appear in the initial given
> > > > > > > exhibit(s)
> > > > > > > > anyway.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'd almost recommend just looking at a given
> > > > > > > diagram
> > > > > > > > and then making my own table and diagrams
> > > > from
> > > > > > > that.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Then, I'd read the lab tasks given and
> > > > ensure
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > there are no other tasks that modify, add,
> > > > or
> > > > > > > remove
> > > > > > > > anything from the initial given materials
> > > > and
> > > > > go
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > there.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I recall going to my first NMC Bootcamp...
> > > > and
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > was
> > > > > > > > used to IE's charts... kicked me into lala
> > > > > trying
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > get used from one to the other style.
> > > > > Realtime.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But it made me think differently too. And
> > > > Bob
> > > > > > > > Sinclair will tell you first thing... that
> > > > > Switch
> > > > > > > > diagram and color codes (vlan = color) real
> > > > > > > quickly...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hard to digest at first for some like me...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Get used to seeing them anyway they can be
> > > > > thrown
> > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > you and quckly get used to asking yourself
> > > > > what
> > > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > are doing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ask yourself, where's the root bridge... of
> > > > > each
> > > > > > > > spanning-tree instance. Is it where you
> > > > want
> > > > > it?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lots of stuff one needs to pay attention too
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > at the same time.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You'll get used to it after a while.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > But that diagram will become as important as
> > > > > your
> > > > > > > L3
> > > > > > > > to some folks... especially later in the
> > > > lab
> > > > > > > if/when
> > > > > > > > you find yourself troubleshooting something
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > thought you resolved earlier in the morning.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- shiran guez <shiranp3@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I think the key to understand how the
> > > > > logical
> > > > > > > > > topology work is to know the
> > > > > > > > > Physical topology so I would draw that
> > > > > first,
> > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > if the logical topology
> > > > > > > > > is not already given to you then I would
> > > > > draw it
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > but I would not delay on
> > > > > > > > > that for ever.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Vlan Table is also a key element as if you
> > > > > want
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > be quick and know
> > > > > > > > > problems before they start then you need
> > > > it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Note: some time its just as easy as it
> > > > look
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > training I would
> > > > > > > > > practice worst case so in the lab I would
> > > > > not be
> > > > > > > > > tackled due to a hard
> > > > > > > > > looking topology.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 10/15/07, CCIE.LAB
> > > > <ccie.lab@verizon.net>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On doing the sample labs, what is the
> > > > > > > recommended
> > > > > > > > > approach on the CAT
> > > > > > > > > > Switching sections.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Do I need to draw out the switch
> > > > topology
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > is it
> > > > > > > > > just as easy as it
> > > > > > > > > > looks
> > > > > > > > > > by configuring what's in the vlan tables
> > > > > > > > > > and then configure the appropriate
> > > > trunks
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > trunk table?
> > > > > > > > > > Does the switch config come into play
> > > > > > > elsewhere in
> > > > > > > > > the lab that I should
> > > > > > > > > > draw
> > > > > > > > > > it out?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thnks
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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