From: Scott Morris (smorris@ipexpert.com)
Date: Thu Oct 18 2007 - 23:25:02 ART
The same can be said about any task... Most things, when broken down, are
very simple. However, many people get hung up in the basics without being
able to see that.
And oftentimes, the problems occur at the interaction of tasks, not any one
thing by itself! So knowing "how to configure" something doesn't
necessarily help with how it works.
I think that the Brians' or anyone's workbook will provide a number of
different samples of things, some similar, some not, but it's not just one
individual thing that makes a lab good or bad. Just as it's not just one
individual thing that makes someone fail a lab attempt.
Look for the details though. The devil is in there (not trying to pull too
much on what DR was talking about!). Most people fail because of small
simple things, although at the time they most certainly don't seem that way!
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Darby Weaver
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:59 PM
To: darth router
Cc: bdennis@internetworkexpert.com; shiran guez; CCIE.LAB;
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: IEWB sample lab - switching approach
DR,
When they put every scenario in their worbooks... it really does not leave
out the possiblity that one might come across a similar scenario in either
another workbook or even the lab.
The possibilities are finite as Brain MaGahan stated previously...
But you know this already...
I mean how many ways are there to configure etherchannel?
--- darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com> wrote:
> IEs switching in v 4 is pretty kick ass (Brian, free stuff over here
> for that plug!). Sometimes they give you all configs, sometimes you
> are forced to draw a painful Layer 2 diagram out to figure stuff out.
> Sometimes I ponder whether the Brians are psychic, or possibly made a
> deal with satan to know how to put the "right" switching in their
> workbooks to best prepare you for the lab.
>
> DR
>
> On 10/18/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Good point.
> >
> > I'm just going through the first couple of labs in
> > version 4 and have not yet made that distinction
> yet.
> >
> > I did recall that being an issue from about
> version 2,
> > I think, when I had went to NMC's bootcamp, and
> took
> > me a bit to overcome since I was considerably
> weaker
> > with switching at the time (about lethargic), and
> used
> > the chart as a "crutch" and when it was removed...
> I
> > trembled and fell a bit - but that was a reference
> to
> > a past event from about 2 years ago and may not
> > represent the current product at all.
> >
> > The current product is much improved by the way.
> I'm
> > impressed that each lab appears to have nearly 100
> > pages more or less of very well written and easily
> > understood descriptions of exactly what is
> happeing in
> > each lab.
> >
> > And I'll tell you another thing, and this is
> premature
> > since I'm only on the third one and there are at
> least
> > 7 available at the moment, those COD's that you
> guys
> > have taken the time to create... are the best
> thing
> > since sliced bread.
> >
> > I watch so many questions get asked over the years
> > hear on GS, you know the how or why, etc. Why
> this
> > solution versus these other 2 or 3... And you
> guys
> > hit PAYDIRT... with the COD. I was surprised at
> how
> > much you packed in and did so, incredibly
> concisely
> > too.
> >
> > The product is FANTASTIC! I understand that
> others
> > are following this trend. The pricing is great
> and
> > the value is there...
> >
> > Talk about taking a handful of labs, say just labs
> 1-5
> > or 1-7 and just mastering them. Know the why/why
> not
> > and taking the time to enjoy the mastery of some
> of
> > the more complex issues discussed in each lab.
> >
> > The COD's allow one to do this, verus spending a
> lot
> > of time second guessing solutions - happens alot
> on
> > this list.
> >
> > So 100 pages or so of descriptions and breakdown
> and
> > then a carefully worded COD... that spots the
> > issues...
> >
> > Kewl idea brought to life and masterfully
> executed.
> >
> >
> > --- Brian Dennis <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Darby,
> > > In version 4 of the IEWB Vol 2 Workbook there
> > > isn't a "style" to how
> > > the VLANs are given. There was a "style" in
> version
> > > 3 to how things
> > > were done but in version 4 you will find that
> there
> > > are many "things"
> > > done differently between the labs. Sometimes
> you
> > > get the VLAN
> > > information in a table, sometimes through the
> output
> > > of various show
> > > commands, sometimes you are asked to determine
> the
> > > VLANs needed by
> > > referencing the diagram and finally sometimes
> they
> > > are already done for
> > > you in the initial configurations.
> > >
> > > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210
> (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> > > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
> > >
> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> > > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada)
> > >
> > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > Subject: Re: IEWB sample lab - switching
> approach
> > > Date: Wed, October 17, 2007 21:08
> > > From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > > I would not fall in love with any vendor's
> style
> > > of
> > > > how they depict the VLAN's given.
> > > >
> > > > Since you never know what you may be given as
> (an)
> > > > exhibit(s) and you never know what may be
> asked
> > > later
> > > > that may not appear in the initial given
> > > exhibit(s)
> > > > anyway.
> > > >
> > > > I'd almost recommend just looking at a given
> > > diagram
> > > > and then making my own table and diagrams from
> > > that.
> > > >
> > > > Then, I'd read the lab tasks given and ensure
> that
> > > > there are no other tasks that modify, add, or
> > > remove
> > > > anything from the initial given materials and
> go
> > > from
> > > > there.
> > > >
> > > > I recall going to my first NMC Bootcamp... and
> I
> > > was
> > > > used to IE's charts... kicked me into lala
> trying
> > > to
> > > > get used from one to the other style.
> Realtime.
> > > >
> > > > But it made me think differently too. And Bob
> > > > Sinclair will tell you first thing... that
> Switch
> > > > diagram and color codes (vlan = color) real
> > > quickly...
> > > >
> > > > Hard to digest at first for some like me...
> > > >
> > > > Get used to seeing them anyway they can be
> thrown
> > > at
> > > > you and quckly get used to asking yourself
> what
> > > they
> > > > are doing.
> > > >
> > > > Ask yourself, where's the root bridge... of
> each
> > > > spanning-tree instance. Is it where you want
> it?
> > > >
> > > > Lots of stuff one needs to pay attention too
> and
> > > all
> > > > at the same time.
> > > >
> > > > You'll get used to it after a while.
> > > >
> > > > But that diagram will become as important as
> your
> > > L3
> > > > to some folks... especially later in the lab
> > > if/when
> > > > you find yourself troubleshooting something
> you
> > > > thought you resolved earlier in the morning.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- shiran guez <shiranp3@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I think the key to understand how the
> logical
> > > > > topology work is to know the
> > > > > Physical topology so I would draw that
> first,
> > > then
> > > > > if the logical topology
> > > > > is not already given to you then I would
> draw it
> > > to
> > > > > but I would not delay on
> > > > > that for ever.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vlan Table is also a key element as if you
> want
> > > to
> > > > > be quick and know
> > > > > problems before they start then you need it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Note: some time its just as easy as it look
> but
> > > for
> > > > > training I would
> > > > > practice worst case so in the lab I would
> not be
> > > > > tackled due to a hard
> > > > > looking topology.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10/15/07, CCIE.LAB <ccie.lab@verizon.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On doing the sample labs, what is the
> > > recommended
> > > > > approach on the CAT
> > > > > > Switching sections.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do I need to draw out the switch topology
> or
> > > is it
> > > > > just as easy as it
> > > > > > looks
> > > > > > by configuring what's in the vlan tables
> > > > > > and then configure the appropriate trunks
> in
> > > the
> > > > > trunk table?
> > > > > > Does the switch config come into play
> > > elsewhere in
> > > > > the lab that I should
> > > > > > draw
> > > > > > it out?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thnks
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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