From: sirus MOGHADASIAN (cyrus.mgh@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Oct 14 2007 - 15:18:30 ART
Darby,
your ideas shed some light on dark night I imagined,
I cannot agree more,"Technical interview" ,they cannot dump it .
u are right if they learn something trough dumping ,let's pay them!
otherwise cast them off to Wall of Shame!!!
Thanks 4 inspiring me
Cyrus
On 10/14/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> There would not be 50 of those sites now if there were
> not at least 50-100 customers per site.
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> They did not start overnight either.
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> Everyone on this list has a responsibility to actually
> perform a hands-on technnical interview of anyone they
> seek to hire who tells them they are a CCIE or even
> CCIE Candidate for that matter.
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> And I mean it is fair game to sit them down at a
> console and ask them to perform on the spot. Should
> be easy for a person working through a myriad of labs.
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> No CCIE should ever, even after a few years be unable
> to perform at least well enough to get the job.
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> If they cannot, feel free to embarass them and tell
> your friends... or post it online... the Wall of
> Shame...
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> If you refuse to hire them they will either learn the
> stuff or they will go away.
>
> But who else is going to be able to ascertain the
> skill level of a CCIE?
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> For you HR types, hire a CCIE from a local Gold
> Partner or bring in your Cisco SE who is a CCIE to
> help you out.
>
> Stop the buck and stop it today.
>
> Wanna get the cert fast fine...
>
> Now get ready to braindump the hands-on interview 3
> months later, 6 months later, and even 3 years or 10
> years later...
>
> Been a while since I got serious with DOS, but I still
> know it.
>
> Anyone who has taken the time to get to the level of
> the CCIE legitimately will be hard-pressed to have
> forgotten how to navigate the CLI.
>
> Now, for those low numbered CCIE's who dumped the lab
> back in the late 90's, and early 2000's, you've had
> time to get up to speed.
>
> But everyone even a CCNA should feel free to prepare a
> challenging hands-on technical interview for any CCIE
> who applies for a job anywhere worldwide.
>
> And no CCIE should feel berated by completing a
> hands-on interview to the best of his/her knowldege.
>
>
> Time to clean the decks...
>
> Report your findings... Do we need a web-site:
>
> www.NOTAREALCCIE.com with a Hall of Shame (As in Dubya
> - well you get the point)...
>
> I mean...
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> This is all it will take.
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> Not much really.
>
> And I'll bet within 6-12 months the market would dry
> up.
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> It is worse than being Banned from the Program...
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> Public humiliation sucks...
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> Maybe it is not too late to register the name...
>
> Hey, there is a forum (where warez are openly traded
> no less) where the mods who got their own CCIE certs
> forbid anyone else to break the NDA...
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> There are CCIE Blogs - Yes, some people on this list -
> who advocate Testking on their site and proudly list
> it as a legitimate source as a resource for the CCIE
> Written...
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> You cannot make this stuff up.
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> So stop what you are doing and "interview a CCIE"
> today...
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> And don't forget to post the weirdest, wackiest, and
> rocks that pass for CCIE's on a Wall of Shame
> somewhere...
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> Ask not what you can pay your CCIE, but what your CCIE
> will pay you to forget the hands-on interview... gone
> really bad... not to put his/her name on the Wall of
> Shame... and not to laugh him/her too badly out the
> door.
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> If all else fails, the person who buys their way
> through the lab - should be willing to split the
> salary 50/50 with the interviewer... if he/she should
> get the job...
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> BTW - I'm writing the how to braindump (I mean ace)
> the "CCIE Interview for Dummies"... Anyone
> interested should let me know...
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> --- sirus MOGHADASIAN < cyrus.mgh@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Hi GS,
> >
> > I find at least two site that sell real ccie lab
> > scenarios that have product
> > like this (6 Real Labs(2006) + 4 NEW Real
> > Labs(2007)!!!!!!!!!!)
> >
> > if this is true:
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> > I think CCIE Lab is now is as trivial as
> > CCNA,CCNP,MCSE, and what ever exam
> > that u can find thier dumps out there.
> >
> > somebody with no knowledge can now be certified as
> > CCIE.
> >
> > IMHO,what keep glory of CCIE is now gone ,now people
> > can dump this exam as
> > others.
> >
> > I don't wanna disappoint u but I completely lost and
> > pretty hopeless at this
> > moment and feel what we spent our time on it is now
> > not as valuable as
> > before.
> >
> >
> > Cyrus
> >
> >
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