From: nrf (noglikirf@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun Oct 14 2007 - 03:13:57 ART
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From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
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Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:10 AM
Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> Since we're talking about colleges and their policies... Not all of them
> make sense (although it's a policy nonetheless).
>
> Way back when... When I applied to college, Indiana Univeristy was one of
> my choices (no, I can't remember why, but it was) and I was rejected by
> them
> simply because I was not in the top 25% of my class.
>
> The details didn't matter that I had almost a 4.0, or that my graduating
> class of 144 people was the most academically accomplished that school had
> ever seen, or all the AP classes/exams or anything else. It was simply a
> checkbox they had from the plethora of applications they had coming in.
>
> In the long run, I think it was much better, as I ended up at a much
> better
> college (who was bright enough to look at more items than simply a
> checkbox
> like that).
>
> Colleges have guidelines much like companies do. No doubt about that.
> The
> number of college applications received versus open spots is very much
> akin
> to how many resumes/applications a company gets for any open position.
> But
> if someone simply has a checkbox to fill (did this person take the CCIE
> lab
> more than 'x' number of times) they are really not looking at the whole
> picture.
>
> I certainly don't have any hard feelings against IU. I just think it was
> a
> stupid reason for making a decision like that.
>
> Getting a job is often like a sales technique on the side of those people
> who really want a particular job. How you write your resume, how you
> present yourself, all of those things. If you want to boil this all down
> to
> a checkbox format, what is it going to help? Just delaying being at the
> same place.
>
> Anyway... IHMO, this conversation isn't really going anyplace. I think
> enough people have been inconvenienced. You have your opinion, I have
> mine,
> and I believe we have both stated our points about why the other isn't
> seeing things right. :)
You talk about checkboxes. Let me put it to you this way. Consider a guy
who is a brilliant network tech and probably will pass his CCIE on his first
shot. But he can't even get a lab seat. He has a job that prevents him
from taking the lab on just any old day. He also has responsibilities to
his family that also tie him down for significant days in the month. So,
realistically, he can only take the lab on certain days out of the year.
But his ability to get seats on those days is hindered because other people
(i.e. those 20-timers) are taking those seats. Hence, his chances to
become an official CCIE is unnecessarily delayed. Hence, this guy's ability
to fulfill a company checkbox (for a CCIE) is being delayed. Is that fair?
The bottom line is this. If you've taken the exam 20 times, I think it's
fair for you to let other people ahead who haven't even had ONE attempt.
Just like if you've already snarfed 20 sodas, don't we agree that it's fair
for you to let ahead those guys who haven't even had ONE soda?
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