From: techguru2000 (techguru2000@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Oct 12 2007 - 04:12:52 ART
Simple problem:
People are booking lab dates in advance and not appearing.
Simple solution:
Charge them for cancelling or recheduling.
end of the story
my 2 cents
techguru
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
To: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>; "'nrf'" <noglikirf@hotmail.com>;
"'Rahmlow, Howard F.'" <Howard.F.Rahmlow@unisys.com>;
<sheherezada@gmail.com>
Cc: "'Burkett, Michael'" <Michael.Burkett@c-a-m.com>; "'Brad Ellis'"
<brad@ccbootcamp.com>; "'Christopher M. Heffner'"
<cheffner@certified-labs.com>; "'Eric Dobyns'" <eric_dobyns@yahoo.com>;
"'Brian Dennis'" <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>;
<security@groupstudy.com>; <comserv@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 1:51 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> NRF,
>
> It sounds like you are saying that a person who
> schedules a lab, pas for it, and shows up is wasting a
> seat?
>
> I'm not sure I buy it.
>
> You see I went to the lab 3 times and some times it
> was hard to find a seat earlier or even later or even
> on my own sceheduled date for that matter.
>
>
> Now the truth is, if there are no-show's, these are
> the people wasting the dates.
>
> Not the people who pass.
>
> Not the people who fail.
>
> The people who book the date, but never pay and never
> show.
>
> So...
>
> Look elsewhere to blame someone for the seating
> arrangements.
>
> And I'm sure there are a ton of reasons for this:
>
> 1. Financial
> 2. Work-related
> 3. Cold Feet
> 4. Something else maybe?
>
>
> So - why not ask those folks who know they are not
> going to show for the exam to reschedule more than 30
> days out.
>
> I got a suspicion that if a person books and does not
> pay the lab within the 30 day mark, the lab seat is
> still waiting... (now maybe that no-show can't book
> for some period, but nevertheless the seat may still
> be "booked").
>
> Else why out of 15 seats would only 4 or 6 be
> available for testing - and no slots open immediately
> prior? Hmmm....
>
> Why do I think this...
>
> Cause at one lab, I overheard Melanie (I believe) come
> down and talk to a guy about his payment which was
> due...
>
> Maybe there was something else, but I recall the
> incident and it left me with that notion in my mind...
>
>
>
>
> --- Scott Morris <smorris@ipexpert.com> wrote:
>
>> Heheheh..... Ok, so there are more prestigious jobs
>> for those who pass on
>> the first try, but look at the track record prior to
>> that point in their
>> lives! I'd be willing to bet that passing the bar
>> on the first try is not
>> the first major milestone those individuals have
>> accomplished.
>>
>> And to that same end, the difficulty of the test and
>> the other factors
>> leading up to that have already established the bar
>> (pun intended) at an
>> exceptionally high level. So work on the
>> content/format of the exam.
>>
>> Changing the price of the bar exam wouldn't
>> drastically change who tried or
>> how often they tried.
>>
>> It's nice to compare the CCIE to these other
>> milestone accomplishments, but
>> at the same time though, the things you are talking
>> about changing is not
>> going to solve the perceived problem.
>>
>> Just my thoughts.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nrf [mailto:noglikirf@hotmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 9:06 PM
>> To: Scott Morris; 'Rahmlow, Howard F.';
>> sheherezada@gmail.com
>> Cc: 'Burkett, Michael'; 'Brad Ellis'; 'Christopher
>> M. Heffner'; 'Eric
>> Dobyns'; 'Brian Dennis'; ccielab@groupstudy.com;
>> security@groupstudy.com;
>> comserv@groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
>> To: "'nrf'" <noglikirf@hotmail.com>; "'Rahmlow,
>> Howard F.'"
>> <Howard.F.Rahmlow@unisys.com>;
>> <sheherezada@gmail.com>
>> Cc: "'Burkett, Michael'"
>> <Michael.Burkett@c-a-m.com>; "'Brad Ellis'"
>> <brad@ccbootcamp.com>; "'Christopher M. Heffner'"
>> <cheffner@certified-labs.com>; "'Eric Dobyns'"
>> <eric_dobyns@yahoo.com>;
>> "'Brian Dennis'" <bdennis@internetworkexpert.com>;
>> <ccielab@groupstudy.com>;
>> <security@groupstudy.com>; <comserv@groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:46 PM
>> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>>
>>
>> > Would that logic not also increase the potential
>> for people to want to
>> > find some way to shortcut the exam and pass on the
>> first try?
>>
>> I'm not sure that I understand this question. What
>> do you mean by 'shortcut
>> the exam'?
>>
>> As to what I think your point is, I would ask, what
>> is bad about a system
>> that encourages people to try to pass on their first
>> attempt? I would say
>> that that's a GOOD thing, as it encourages better
>> preparation. After all,
>> most newly hired lawyers who are hired right out of
>> law schools by major law
>> firms or prestigious judicial clerkships are
>> strongly encouraged (heck,
>> they're expected) to pass the Bar exam on their
>> first try, which would
>> generally be the July right after they graduate. If
>> they don't pass in
>> July, they have to wait until the next February when
>> the bar is held again,
>> and they can't practice law during the interim
>> period. {They can perform
>> other advisory work or client building during that
>> time, but they can't
>> perform any actual licensed attorney's work.}
>>
>> Like I've been saying, right now, many people are
>> taking the test without
>> properly preparing themselves, figuring that they
>> will use their attempt as
>> a 'practice run' and will return for their "real"
>> attempt sometime later.
>> I don't think too many people take the Bar, USMLE,
>> or CFA as a 'practice
>> run', because the stakes of failure are so high.
>>
>> What makes the issue even more acute than, say, the
>> Bar, is the shortage of
>> CCIE seats. If you take the Bar and fail, the only
>> person you're hurting
>> is you. Nobody else is affected. But when you take
>> and fail the CCIE,
>> you've basically taken away a seat from somebody
>> else who might have passed.
>>
>> So when you fail, not only are you hurting yourself,
>> but more importantly,
>> you're hurting others. You're imposing a cost on
>> everybody else.
>>
>>
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