From: nrf (noglikirf@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Oct 11 2007 - 22:10:41 ART
Well, at least we can agree that X should be no less than 20. Actually, I
believe that we can say that X should be no less than 10. After all, does
anybody truly believe that it's perfectly fine to fail the test 10 times?
Hence, if nothing else, we can at least set the X threshold to be 20 (or
10). I think there would be little argument about that. Hence, if nothing
else, it's still an improvement over what we have today (which is no
threshold at all).
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Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 9:04 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
Well, couldn't agree more. 20 attempts is probably out of range :) But
as you said before here comes the question - how many is OK?
Actually I don't mind at all if my scores and attempts are available to
general public, and from the other hand I'd understand other people who
doesn't want publicity. In my opinion, lack of information leads to
speculation. But that is a different discussion.
Andrew
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Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Price Increase
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From: "Usankin, Andrew" <Andrew.Usankin@twtelecom.com>
To: "nrf" <noglikirf@hotmail.com>; "Rahmlow, Howard F."
<Howard.F.Rahmlow@unisys.com>; <sheherezada@gmail.com>; "Scott Morris"
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<brad@ccbootcamp.com>; "Christopher M. Heffner"
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Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 7:52 PM
Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>I read somewhere, sorry if I mess it up, but I liked the following
>phrase:
>"when a class of medical students graduate even a last one is called a
>doctor"
And of course the rejoinder to that (with apologies to those who have
heard me say it before) is that if you graduate last in your med school
class, you probably won't pass your required USMLE's to get your medical
license and hence you won't be allowed to legally practice medicine,
which is the whole point in becoming a doctor in the first place. In
contrast, anybody can legally 'practice' IT (and I think I have met some
network guys who need to 'practice' their skills a whole lot more before
they should ever be allowed anywhere near a router).
>So would you have to choose between two CCIE's then yes, that would be
>cool to know how many attempts it took from each one to pass the lab.
>But that is not the case in reality. Nobody usually gets to choose
>between two CCIE :) unless you have a very attractive offer to show!
I don't know about that. I have known of companies that have had
numerous CCIE's applying, and the offers they were providing were really
not that good.
>Besides, it doesn't matter to me if it will take 15 attempts from Jeff
>Brunner before he gets his number. At the end of the day all that
>matters is your CCIE number and amount of experience you have. And
>don't be surprised if at some places nobody would care if you have CCIE
>or not and all they look for is your experience.
Well, let me put it to you this way. What if you looked up guy who had
his CCIE and found out that he failed 20 times before he finally passed?
I don't know about you, but I would certainly begin to question this
guy's
professionalism. If nothing else, that signal would tell me that this
is a
guy who evidently doesn't believe in proper preparation. Would you
really want a guy like that on your team? I would have my qualms.
After all, he might show up to work on a project without being properly
prepared.
Look, failing a few times is probably no big deal. But after a certain
number of failures, I think we can agree that things are just getting
out of hand. We can debate what that exact number would be, but I think
we can all agree that 20 (or even 10) is probably too much.
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