From: Colin McNamara (colin@2cups.com)
Date: Wed Oct 10 2007 - 11:41:46 ART
Cisco employees get three subsidized attempts at the lab, not unlimited
attempts. And to be fair, anybody out there in the partner world has
pretty much the same deal.
-- Colin McNamara (858)208-8105 CCIE #18233 "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little longer"On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 08:58 +0100, nasir.shaikh@bt.com wrote: > I believe that even Cisco employees have to pay for the exam. It may be > internal invoicing but it's not free. > > And the equipment at the labs is also paid for by the CCIE program. > > At least that is what I was given to understand. > > Nasir Shaikh | CCIE #15845 | Senior Consultant | BT | Global > Professional Services > Mob: +31 (0) 6 54 63 50 05 | E: nasir.shaikh@bt.com | > www.bt.com/consulting > > -----Original Message----- > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of > Gregory Gombas > Sent: woensdag 10 oktober 2007 3:32 > To: Security Architect (NetSec) > Cc: Brad Ellis; smorris@ipexpert.com; Christopher M. Heffner; Eric > Dobyns; Brian Dennis; ccielab@groupstudy.com; <thepiper@one.net>; > comserv@groupstudy.com > Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Price Increase > > How about making Cisco employees pay for lab attempts? > > That ought to free up the schedule considering 2/3 of the people > taking the lab are Cisco employees. > > Hell if I didn't have to pay for the lab I'd take it every 30 days > myself! > > On 10/9/07, Security Architect (NetSec) > <security_architect@netsecdesign.com> wrote: > > Another $0.02: > > > > > > While I would prefer NOT to have a two day lab; IMHO 1-2 hours would > be tough > > to fold into the 8 hour time frame. The current format can be > completed in > > about 6 hours, which allows 1-2 hours for making sure everything works > right. > > Perhaps another 4 hour session the next day for network > > attacks/troubleshooting. If they are going to charge more for the lab > you > > might as well get your money's worth... > > > > > > On 10/9/07 1:35 PM, "Brad Ellis" <brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote: > > > > Scott, > > > > I agree with you 100%. The main problem is the "qualification exam" > ie, > > the "written exam" isn't a very good measure of an engineer's > readiness > > to attempt the lab exam. I think there needs to be a legitimate > > qualification exam that truly can attest to the level of the engineers > > competency. For CCIE R&S, there used to be wireless on the written > exam. > > Now there is MPLS on the written. Both technologies not being covered > by > > the lab exam. How is this an accurate measure of the engineer's > > abilities to attempt the lab exam? It's not! There needs to be a more > > accurate measurement in place. Once that happens, I think the wait > time > > between attempts will diminish. I also think the length of time you > have > > to wait between attempts should correlate to your last lab exam score. > > Opening up some more testing centers wouldn't be a bad idea either. > Just > > my $.02 > > > > thanks, > > Brad Ellis > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security) > > CCSI# 30482 > > CEO / President > > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO) > > Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243 > > Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012 > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits! > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com > > > > Register to win a free iPhone! http://www.ccbootcamp.com/iphone.html > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris@ipexpert.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:34 PM > > To: Brad Ellis; Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com; > > comserv@groupstudy.com > > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase > > > > If they want to make serious progress in that idea, then they'll take > a > > different approach. > > > > 1. Start with a troubleshooting lab. 1-2 hours. If you can't figure > > enough things out to fix, you obviously don't know what's going on and > > shouldn't get to the "real" lab. > > > > 2. Shorten the real lab to 6-7 hours. People who don't make > > troubleshooting won't even see the real thing and therefore can't > > possibly > > copy/memorize it 'cause they went home early. > > > > Taking the same lab again is only helpful if you've figured out the > > answers > > and can actually make things work! But splitting things up like this > > will > > give a higher test of people's deep understanding of technologies > rather > > than any sort of memorization for stuff going on. > > > > Just my thoughts. But raising the price or increasing the time > between > > labs > > will irritate more good people than it will deter the ones you are > > trying to > > keep out. > > > > Some people know how things work, others do not. Filter based on > that! > > > > Just my two cents. > > > > > > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, > > JNCIE-M > > #153, CISSP, et al. > > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER > > VP - Technical Training - IPexpert, Inc. > > IPexpert Sr. Technical Instructor > > > > A Cisco Learning Partner - We Accept Learning Credits! > > > > smorris@ipexpert.com > > > > Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 > > Fax: +1.810.454.0130 > > http://www.ipexpert.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf > Of > > Brad > > Ellis > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:40 PM > > To: Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com; > > comserv@groupstudy.com > > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase > > > > It might suck, but that would definitely solve a bunch of problems: > > > > 1) It would make it much harder for those "real test sites" to get > > updates > > 2) The backlog wouldnb t be so bad - there would be a lot more seats > > available > > 3) People would stop using the "take the test every 30 days until I > > pass" > > technique. I know a few folks who have taken the lab like that 8 or > more > > times until they pass. (This method gives a high percentage of "same > > lab" > > possibilities.) > > > > thanks, > > Brad Ellis > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security) > > CCSI# 30482 > > CEO / President > > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO) > > Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243 > > Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012 > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits! > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com > > > > Register to win a free iPhone! http://www.ccbootcamp.com/iphone.html > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Christopher M. Heffner [mailto:cheffner@certified-labs.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:07 AM > > To: Brad Ellis; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com; > > comserv@groupstudy.com > > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase > > > > Now that would really "suck" big time! > > > > Chris Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760 > > Strategic Network Solutions, Inc. > > > > www.certified-labs.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brad Ellis [mailto:brad@ccbootcamp.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:22 PM > > To: Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com; > > comserv@groupstudy.com > > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase > > > > I've heard that Cisco may change their re-take policy from 30 days to > 6 > > months for failed tests...but just rumors so far. > > > > thanks, > > Brad Ellis > > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security) > > CCSI# 30482 > > CEO / President > > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO) > > Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com > > Toll Free: 877-654-2243 > > Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA > > Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call > > FAX: +1-702-446-8012 > > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits! > > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com > > > > Register to win a free iPhone! http://www.ccbootcamp.com/iphone.html > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf > Of > > Christopher M. Heffner > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:32 AM > > To: Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com; > > comserv@groupstudy.com > > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase > > Importance: Low > > > > Please DON'T give them any ideas. > > > > This is an expensive enough profession. > > > > Chris Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760 > > Strategic Network Solutions, Inc. > > > > www.certified-labs.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Eric Dobyns [mailto:eric_dobyns@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:43 PM > > To: 'Brian Dennis'; Christopher M. Heffner > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com; > > comserv@groupstudy.com > > Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase > > > > Right now, I think they could charge twice that and still fill up > their > > seats. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf > Of > > Brian Dennis > > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:22 PM > > To: Christopher M. Heffner > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com; > > comserv@groupstudy.com > > Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Price Increase > > > > Someone "announced" it here a few weeks ago ;-) > > > > Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP) > > bdennis@internetworkexpert.com > > > > Internetwork Expert, Inc. > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987 > > Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada) > > > > > > > > On Oct 8, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Christopher M. Heffner wrote: > > > > > Did anyone else notice the lab price increase made by Cisco for the > > > CCIE Labs? > > > > > > > > > > > > I noticed when checking lab dates that the price for the lab is now > > > $1400.00 per attempt. > > > > > > > > > > > > I donb t see any announcement on the CCIE website for the price > > > increase. > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this just being quietly changed without an announcement? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Christopher M. 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