From: abderrahim sadki (a_sadki1@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Oct 10 2007 - 08:36:07 ART
I have to say that reading through the Cisco email below is very scary.
I cant even start to imagine what goes through ur head when u get something
like this, even if u did cheat.
> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:33:17 +0200> From: caccamucca@gmail.com> To:
darbyweaver@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: OT: Re: !!!! Banned by Cisco !!!!
[7:126999]> CC: ccielab@groupstudy.com; cisco@groupstudy.com> > "Banned for
Life"> > Really? I thought it was for 1 year?> > > On 10/10/07, Darby Weaver
<darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:> >> > Chris,> >> > Contrar my friend. I have
seen personally that the> > CCIE Developement team does watch these this
forum> > with interest and with intent.> >> > They do care about the program.>
>> > They do care about what we think - we are something> > like a customer...
old fashioned concept.> >> >> > Now from what I have read thus far, our friend
was> > apparently confronted about this incident in the lab.> > As was at
least one other person. So the proctor had> > his reasons no doubt for
thinking as he did.> >> > This is very serious and could affect the way we
enter> > the lab exam in the future.> >> > Apparently a "note" or "notes" were
found and those> > notes were "not on the paper given by the proctors".> >> >
Now if our friend here is innocent and did not bring> > notes to the lab, that
is one thing.> >> > If he he did, then it is another.> >> > The problem is
what can a person do if he/she did not> > bring notes but were accused of
doing so?> >> >> > There really is very little recourse.> >> > However, we as
CCIE candidates want to believe in the> > integrity of the program as a whole
and in our> > proctors.> >> > I, for one, have always found the proctors to be
very> > professional and very helpful.> >> > This person is concerned about
his career and should> > be, since this is a serious offense.> >> > Cisco is
concerned about the integrity of the entire> > CCIE program, as we all should
be.> >> > From the treads I've read up to know, and I've seen> > the email
chain, the Cisco Security Team probably have> > a strong case and it seems
they took a little while to> > properly weigh the options.> >> > Banning
someone for life and stripping all certs is> > pretty serious.> >> > The
question we all should be asking is "how arbitrary> > is the process"?> >> >
Even if a student is expelled for cheating from a> > College Campus, they
still have some rights.> >> > Cisco makes their case clear - break the rules
and you> > are banned for life - per the lastest CCIE update.> >> > It is
their program, but it is also ours. We all have> > significant investments in
time and money too.> >> > The vendors here have incredible amounts invested.>
>> > Everyone who takes the time and commits the effort has> > a lot
invested.> >> >> > While we do not want to give cheaters any breaks, we> >
still should want a fair process.> >> > However, I still think the CCIE
Proctors would never> > risk their integrity or career on making such a> >
mistake and the situation is probably well-founded.> >> > Remember, what are
the odds that 4 people taking the> > lab have the same lab or even are taking
the same> > track for that matter.> >> > So...> >> > Just sitting around not
sleeping and decided to chime> > in.> >> > All any of has is an opinion.> >> >
Since only a few people were there, only those folks> > know the facts.> >> >>
>> > --- Chris Tevlin <nobody@groupstudy.com> wrote:> >> > > Hitesh,> > >> > >
I'm unclear what you hope to gain by posting> > > this thread here. It seems>
> > to me that there isn't any member of this study> > > group that can
directly> > > influence the decision made by Cisco Systems. Under> > > the
circumstances, I> > > find the practice of posting your dialog with Cisco> > >
a bit distasteful. You> > > are certainly free to post what you'd like, but
know> > > that public opinion is> > > a double-edged sword; you may not
achieve much> > > sympathy. If you truly feel> > > that you have been unfairly
accused, you must appeal> > > to the decision> > > authority directly. Keep in
mind that your conduct> > > inside the exam is what> > > has been called into
question, but your conduct> > > outside of the exam is also> > > likely to
matter if any further consideration is> > > undertaken by Cisco.> > >> > >
Regards,> > >> > > Chris> > >> > >> > > ""Hitesh Panchani"" wrote in message>
> > news:200710091607.l99G7jHU002598@groupstudy.com...> > > > sad.gif> > > >
BANNED BY CISCO> > > > sad.gif> > > >> > > > I was told by forum in Sadikhov
to post my problem> > > here.> > > >> > > > I did CCIE lab exam and not
receiving result with> > > in 48 hr so I contact> > > > Cisco support desk.
They told me I didn't done lab> > > yet. I told them this> > > > is> > > > my
3rd attempt for lab and I couldnb?Tt receive my> > > result yet. It is more> >
> > then 48hr and I couldnb?Tt receive my result and I> > > couldnb?Tt open my
CCIE> > > > login. Cisco did open my case cert case. Told by> > > helpdesk
some one will> > > > contact in 48hr but still no contact in 48hr so I> > >
did contact Cisco again> > > > they said there is database have problem your
case> > > is passed to IT staff> > > > and> > > > they will take 5 working
days to respond. AS soon> > > as database fix will> > > > give> > > > you
update. After 5 days they didn't contact so I> > > made contact again and> > >
> helpdesk told me Head of IT is dealing with your> > > case and it took 7
days> > > > to> > > > investigate why database is missing. I made> > > contact
after 7days then Cisco> > > > helpdesk says your case is in security officer>
> > they will contact in 10> > > > day.> > > > So we are closing your case now
and you have to> > > wait for security team> > > > response they will send you
mail or letter. I> > > received mail from CISCO as> > > > below:> > > >> > > >
Via Federal Express and [Electronic Mail]> > > >> > > > Hitesh> > > >
Candidate ID 207489284> > > > *******@hotmail.com> > > >> > > > Address> > > >
United Kingdom, Europe> > > >> > > > Re: Violation of CCIE Candidate Conduct>
> > Policy-Possession of notes during> > > > exam> > > >> > > > Dear Hitesh,>
> > > I am writing to you on behalf of Cisco, Inc.> > > (b?oCiscob? ). It has
come> > > > to> > > > our attention that on September 9th 2007 your CCIE> > >
Lab exam proctor> > > > discovered notes regarding exam question> > >
configurations at your assigned> > > > testing station. The proctor reported
that upon> > > confronting you with> > > > these> > > > notes that you
admitted they belonged to you. As> > > you should be aware,> > > > possession
of notes during testing is a violation> > > of the Candidate Conduct> > > >
Policy which states:> > > >> > > > b?oNo candidate will take any action that
will> > > compromise the integrity or> > > > confidentiality of a Cisco
Certification> > > examination or otherwise> > > > compromise> > > > the
integrity of the Cisco Certification program.> > > Such actions include but> >
> > are not limited to:> > > > Using any aids, notes, equipment or other> > >
materials not authorized by the> > > > TestingDelivery Partners or Cisco
during the> > > exam.b?> > > >> > > > You signed a Cisco Career Certification
and> > > Confidentiality Agreement> > > > that> > > > prior to your exam. To
paraphrase this agreement,> > > Cisco may at its sole> > > > discretion revoke
any and all Certifications you> > > may have earned, and> > > > permanently
ban you from earning future> > > Certifications if Cisco> > > > determines,> >
> > in its sole discretion, that you have undertaken> > > or participated in
any> > > > action that compromises the integrity and> > > confidentiality of
an> > > > examination> > > > or the Program.> > > >> > > > As a result, you
are hereby permanently prohibited> > > from taking any Cisco> > > >
examinations, including CCIE written and> > > laboratory examinations, and
any> > > > Cisco certifications with VUE, Ciscob?Ts> > > Authorized Testing
Delivery> > > > Partner. Access to your candidate records in the> > >
Certifications Tracking> > > > System is also denied.> > > >> > > > The
intention of Cisco career certifications is to> > > ensure high standards> > >
> of> > > > technical expertise. Achieving Cisco> > > certificationb?"at any
levelb?"means> > > > joining the ranks of skilled network professionals> > >
who have earned> > > > recognition and respect in the industry.> > >
Maintaining the integrity of> > > > Cisco> > > > certification programs and
ensuring that only> > > qualified individuals> > > > receive> > > >
certification is in the interest of everyone.> > > >> > > > Thank you for your
cooperation.> > > > Sincerely,> > > > Kathe Saccenti, CCIE 2099> > > > Mgr,
Operations - Labs> > > > Learning@Cisco.com> > > > Cc: VQS JW> > > >> > > >
REPLY FROM CISCO AFTER I REPLAYED TO ABOVE EMAIL> > > >> > > > As I stated in
the letter I sent you, we reserve> > > the right to deny> > > > testing to
individuals that violate our policies.> > > > The report and the evidence
submitted, correspond> > > fully to your> > > > configurations.> > > >> > > >>
> > >> > > > From: Hp***** [mailto:hp*****@hotmail.com]> > > > Sent: Monday,
October 08, 2007 7:16 AM> > > > To: Kathe Saccenti (ksaccent)> > > > Subject:
Re: CCIE Notification> > > >> > > > Hi Kathe> > > >> > > > I deny any wrong
doing with any cisco> > > certification. I was called up by> > > > the proctor
after he had called the other> > > candidate first, he presented> > > > me
with a piece of paper, said to be found on my> > > desk. I denied it> > > >
immediately as I would be cheating with myself> > > first. Proctor mention> >
> > there was a "access list" on that piece of paper,> > > to which I said
"can I> > > > see it" reply "no" at some point in proctor> > > mention that
"if it not> > > > your, you do not need to worry about it", at that> > > point
I left the> > > > building. Proctor told me that somebody will> > > contact me
within 48hrs> > > > will contact me, which never happen, that why I> > >
raised the ticket> > > > (070911-000286)on 11 Sep 2007, not knowing what> > >
department to contact I> > > > started the general query.> > > >> > > > I left
my work in NOV 2006 to pursuit my long term> > > plan of obtaining the> > > >
CCIE. I have been planning to become CCIE since> > > 2000 and gradually> > > >
getting closer to my goal (my life achievement).> > > If you look at your> > >
> records, this was my third attempt, and I was> > > willing to one more> > >
> attempt before giving it up. The concept of these> > > labs is to
understand> > > > the technology first and later configuration> > > command.>
> > >> > > > I realised the importance of the standards set by> > > the CCIE>
> > > qualification. I would appreciate if you would> > > reconsider your
decision.> > > >> > > >> > > > Regards> > > >> > > > Hitesh> >> >
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