From: Gregory Gombas (ggombas@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Oct 09 2007 - 22:31:46 ART
How about making Cisco employees pay for lab attempts?
That ought to free up the schedule considering 2/3 of the people
taking the lab are Cisco employees.
Hell if I didn't have to pay for the lab I'd take it every 30 days myself!
On 10/9/07, Security Architect (NetSec)
<security_architect@netsecdesign.com> wrote:
> Another $0.02:
>
>
> While I would prefer NOT to have a two day lab; IMHO 1-2 hours would be tough
> to fold into the 8 hour time frame. The current format can be completed in
> about 6 hours, which allows 1-2 hours for making sure everything works right.
> Perhaps another 4 hour session the next day for network
> attacks/troubleshooting. If they are going to charge more for the lab you
> might as well get your money's worth...
>
>
> On 10/9/07 1:35 PM, "Brad Ellis" <brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> I agree with you 100%. The main problem is the "qualification exam" ie,
> the "written exam" isn't a very good measure of an engineer's readiness
> to attempt the lab exam. I think there needs to be a legitimate
> qualification exam that truly can attest to the level of the engineers
> competency. For CCIE R&S, there used to be wireless on the written exam.
> Now there is MPLS on the written. Both technologies not being covered by
> the lab exam. How is this an accurate measure of the engineer's
> abilities to attempt the lab exam? It's not! There needs to be a more
> accurate measurement in place. Once that happens, I think the wait time
> between attempts will diminish. I also think the length of time you have
> to wait between attempts should correlate to your last lab exam score.
> Opening up some more testing centers wouldn't be a bad idea either. Just
> my $.02
>
> thanks,
> Brad Ellis
> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> CCSI# 30482
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris@ipexpert.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:34 PM
> To: Brad Ellis; Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> If they want to make serious progress in that idea, then they'll take a
> different approach.
>
> 1. Start with a troubleshooting lab. 1-2 hours. If you can't figure
> enough things out to fix, you obviously don't know what's going on and
> shouldn't get to the "real" lab.
>
> 2. Shorten the real lab to 6-7 hours. People who don't make
> troubleshooting won't even see the real thing and therefore can't
> possibly
> copy/memorize it 'cause they went home early.
>
> Taking the same lab again is only helpful if you've figured out the
> answers
> and can actually make things work! But splitting things up like this
> will
> give a higher test of people's deep understanding of technologies rather
> than any sort of memorization for stuff going on.
>
> Just my thoughts. But raising the price or increasing the time between
> labs
> will irritate more good people than it will deter the ones you are
> trying to
> keep out.
>
> Some people know how things work, others do not. Filter based on that!
>
> Just my two cents.
>
>
> Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
> JNCIE-M
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Brad
> Ellis
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:40 PM
> To: Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> It might suck, but that would definitely solve a bunch of problems:
>
> 1) It would make it much harder for those "real test sites" to get
> updates
> 2) The backlog wouldnb t be so bad - there would be a lot more seats
> available
> 3) People would stop using the "take the test every 30 days until I
> pass"
> technique. I know a few folks who have taken the lab like that 8 or more
> times until they pass. (This method gives a high percentage of "same
> lab"
> possibilities.)
>
> thanks,
> Brad Ellis
> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> CCSI# 30482
> CEO / President
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher M. Heffner [mailto:cheffner@certified-labs.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:07 AM
> To: Brad Ellis; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> Now that would really "suck" big time!
>
> Chris Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760
> Strategic Network Solutions, Inc.
>
> www.certified-labs.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Ellis [mailto:brad@ccbootcamp.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:22 PM
> To: Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> I've heard that Cisco may change their re-take policy from 30 days to 6
> months for failed tests...but just rumors so far.
>
> thanks,
> Brad Ellis
> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> CCSI# 30482
> CEO / President
> CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Christopher M. Heffner
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:32 AM
> To: Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
> Importance: Low
>
> Please DON'T give them any ideas.
>
> This is an expensive enough profession.
>
> Chris Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760
> Strategic Network Solutions, Inc.
>
> www.certified-labs.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Dobyns [mailto:eric_dobyns@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:43 PM
> To: 'Brian Dennis'; Christopher M. Heffner
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> Right now, I think they could charge twice that and still fill up their
> seats.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Brian Dennis
> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:22 PM
> To: Christopher M. Heffner
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
> comserv@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Price Increase
>
> Someone "announced" it here a few weeks ago ;-)
>
> Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com
>
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>
>
> On Oct 8, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Christopher M. Heffner wrote:
>
> > Did anyone else notice the lab price increase made by Cisco for the
> > CCIE Labs?
> >
> >
> >
> > I noticed when checking lab dates that the price for the lab is now
> > $1400.00 per attempt.
> >
> >
> >
> > I donb t see any announcement on the CCIE website for the price
> > increase.
> >
> >
> >
> > Is this just being quietly changed without an announcement?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Christopher M. Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760
> >
> > Strategic Network Solutions, Inc.
> >
> >
> >
> > HYPERLINK "http://www.certified-labs.com/"www.certified-labs.com
> >
> >
> >
> > b(*
> >
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