RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase

From: Brad Ellis (brad@ccbootcamp.com)
Date: Tue Oct 09 2007 - 17:35:54 ART

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Scott,

I agree with you 100%. The main problem is the "qualification exam" ie,
the "written exam" isn't a very good measure of an engineer's readiness
to attempt the lab exam. I think there needs to be a legitimate
qualification exam that truly can attest to the level of the engineers
competency. For CCIE R&S, there used to be wireless on the written exam.
Now there is MPLS on the written. Both technologies not being covered by
the lab exam. How is this an accurate measure of the engineer's
abilities to attempt the lab exam? It's not! There needs to be a more
accurate measurement in place. Once that happens, I think the wait time
between attempts will diminish. I also think the length of time you have
to wait between attempts should correlate to your last lab exam score.
Opening up some more testing centers wouldn't be a bad idea either. Just
my $.02

thanks,
Brad Ellis
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-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Morris [mailto:smorris@ipexpert.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:34 PM
To: Brad Ellis; Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
comserv@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase

If they want to make serious progress in that idea, then they'll take a
different approach.

1. Start with a troubleshooting lab. 1-2 hours. If you can't figure
enough things out to fix, you obviously don't know what's going on and
shouldn't get to the "real" lab.

2. Shorten the real lab to 6-7 hours. People who don't make
troubleshooting won't even see the real thing and therefore can't
possibly
copy/memorize it 'cause they went home early.

Taking the same lab again is only helpful if you've figured out the
answers
and can actually make things work! But splitting things up like this
will
give a higher test of people's deep understanding of technologies rather
than any sort of memorization for stuff going on.

Just my thoughts. But raising the price or increasing the time between
labs
will irritate more good people than it will deter the ones you are
trying to
keep out.

Some people know how things work, others do not. Filter based on that!

Just my two cents.

Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
JNCIE-M
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Brad
Ellis
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:40 PM
To: Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
comserv@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase

It might suck, but that would definitely solve a bunch of problems:

1) It would make it much harder for those "real test sites" to get
updates
2) The backlog wouldnbt be so bad - there would be a lot more seats
available
3) People would stop using the "take the test every 30 days until I
pass"
technique. I know a few folks who have taken the lab like that 8 or more
times until they pass. (This method gives a high percentage of "same
lab"
possibilities.)

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher M. Heffner [mailto:cheffner@certified-labs.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:07 AM
To: Brad Ellis; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
comserv@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase

Now that would really "suck" big time!

Chris Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760
Strategic Network Solutions, Inc.

www.certified-labs.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Ellis [mailto:brad@ccbootcamp.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:22 PM
To: Christopher M. Heffner; Eric Dobyns; Brian Dennis
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comserv@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase

I've heard that Cisco may change their re-take policy from 30 days to 6
months for failed tests...but just rumors so far.

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Christopher M. Heffner
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:32 AM
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comserv@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase
Importance: Low

Please DON'T give them any ideas.

This is an expensive enough profession.

Chris Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760
Strategic Network Solutions, Inc.

www.certified-labs.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Dobyns [mailto:eric_dobyns@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:43 PM
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Subject: RE: CCIE Lab Price Increase

Right now, I think they could charge twice that and still fill up their
seats.

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Brian Dennis
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:22 PM
To: Christopher M. Heffner
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com; security@groupstudy.com;
comserv@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE Lab Price Increase

Someone "announced" it here a few weeks ago ;-)

Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP)
bdennis@internetworkexpert.com

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On Oct 8, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Christopher M. Heffner wrote:

> Did anyone else notice the lab price increase made by Cisco for the
> CCIE Labs?
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> I noticed when checking lab dates that the price for the lab is now
> $1400.00 per attempt.
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> I donbt see any announcement on the CCIE website for the price
> increase.
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> Is this just being quietly changed without an announcement?
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> Christopher M. Heffner, CCIE 8211, CCSI 98760
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> Strategic Network Solutions, Inc.
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