From: Greg Wendel (gwendel@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Oct 05 2007 - 16:56:30 ART
Scott,
This conversation reminds me of a lunch time discussion with Howard the
proctor at RTP regarding the former requirement that CCIE's attend
networkers at least once every 2 years.
Howard mentioned that they changed this requirement due to the complaints of
partners that this requirement was too expensive.
This is an interesting dilemma and I can understand why Cisco would side
with the partners.
On 10/5/07, Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Mark,
>
> Yeah, I don't read this to say that a partner can "hold" your number, per
> se, but that your number is somewhat worthless for partner certification
> purposes for a 12-month period (unless you're terminated). I guess this
> is
> meant to prevent hiring wars. Frankly, it would seem to be to the benefit
> of CCIE holders if that were allowed to take place, so I guess this is a
> case of Cisco siding with their partners over their certification holders.
>
> What I can't really tell is what is meant by "hiring away." What if a
> CCIE
> voluntarily walks and is unemployed for a few months before going to work
> for another partner? Was he "hired away?" My guess is that your number
> stays in limbo for 12 months in this case too, but that is just a guess...
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Cairns [mailto:m.a.cairns@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 12:50 PM
> To: Scott Vermillion
> Cc: 'Brad Ellis'; 'Paul Borghese'; 'Darren Johnson';
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE binding.. [mx]
>
> From the same link listed below:
>
> "Losing Partner
> If the loss of a CCIE takes a certified partner below the number of
> CCIEs required for certification or a specialization, partner is to
> notify Cisco of its noncompliance within 30 days. Upon receipt of such
> notice, partner may qualify for an extension of six months to replace
> the CCIE in order to avoid de-certification or losing the specialization
> that requires a CCIE. A partner that voluntarily terminates the
> employment of a CCIE may not qualify for the time extension. During the
> extension period, the partner will retain its certification or relevant
> specialization as long as all other certification or specialization
> requirements are met.
>
> If a partner does not notify Cisco of its noncompliance with the CCIE
> requirement within 30 days and Cisco identifies the deficiency, the
> partner may be given an extension of 60 days to replace the CCIE in
> order to avoid de-certification or losing the specialization that
> requires a CCIE. This extension period will begin upon Cisco's
> notification to the partner of noncompliance."
>
> It doesn't appear that a partner can hold your # after you leave, but
> may be granted an extension while searching for a replacement. It also
> looks like the partner needs to maintain all other requirements for the
> extension. If you fill other roles for a partner such as a field
> engineer, required for a specialization and ultimately partner status,
> that role needs to be filled immediately to maintain partner status
> until such time that a new unrestricted CCIE can hired.
>
> Mark
> CCIE #17755, Security
>
> Scott Vermillion wrote:
> > Hi Brad,
> >
> > This from page 35 of the below link:
> >
> > "Gaining Partner
> >
> > If a partner hires a CCIE away from another Cisco certified or
> specialized
> > partner, Cisco will not count this individual toward certification or
> > specialization for the hiring partner for a period of 12 months from the
> > date of hire. This rule does not apply if a Cisco certified or
> specialized
> > partner terminated the CCIE. In this case, Cisco will require
> documentation
> > from the partner that terminated the CCIE."
> >
> > It does say that a losing partner has up to six months to hire a
> > replacement. Maybe that's what you were thinking of? Or maybe I'm just
> not
> > reading all of this correctly...
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/cpapp/audit_doc.pdf
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brad Ellis [mailto:brad@ccbootcamp.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:42 AM
> > To: Scott Vermillion; Paul Borghese; Darren Johnson;
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE binding.. [mx]
> >
> > Scott, last time I investigated this (about a year ago), there was a
> > 6-month wait before the new company could use the CCIE # for it's
> > partner certs, but the old company could actually keep it for their
> > partner status for up to twelve months (giving them time to find a
> > replacement). If it's changed, can you shoot me the link?
> >
> > thanks,
> > Brad Ellis
> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > CCSI# 30482
> > CEO / President
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> > Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com
> > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
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> > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
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> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Vermillion [mailto:scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:28 AM
> > To: Brad Ellis; Paul Borghese; Darren Johnson; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE binding.. [mx]
> >
> > Twelve now, according to links recently posted here (but I just did a
> > purge
> > yesterday, sorry about the lack of a link to offer)...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Brad
> > Ellis
> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:41 AM
> > To: Paul Borghese; Darren Johnson; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE binding..
> >
> > If the old company doesn't release it willingly, I believe it is 6
> > months.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Brad Ellis
> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > CCSI# 30482
> > CEO / President
> > CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Sponsored Organization (SO)
> > Email: brad@ccbootcamp.com
> > Toll Free: 877-654-2243
> > Direct: +1-702-968-5100 = Outside the USA
> > FAX: +1-702-446-8012
> > YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> > Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
> >
> > Register to win a free iPhone! http://www.ccbootcamp.com/iphone.html
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Paul Borghese
> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:33 AM
> > To: Darren Johnson; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE binding..
> > Importance: Low
> >
> > If you change companies, how long does it take before your number is
> > usable
> > by the new corporation?
> >
> > Take care,
> >
> > Paul Borghese
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Darren Johnson
> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:04 AM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: CCIE binding..
> >
> > Hello all.
> >
> > I am currently employed by a Cisco Gold Partner. I am
> > in the process of working towards my CCIE in R&S (my
> > lab is booked). However, I am funding the lab and all
> > preparation materials myself and do NOT want my CCIE
> > number (if I pass!) being used by my present employer.
> > I want to be able to move companies and my new company
> > have immediate use of my number. What do I need to do
> > to ensure that if I pass, my CCIE is not assigned to
> > my company but to me?
> >
> > Many thanks, I hope you can help.
> >
> >
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