From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Oct 03 2007 - 14:29:21 ART
Eric, Darby and the gang
We all made mistakes and i am sure we all learn from the past experiance.
Darby is a very nice guy and i opologies for my behavior and lets finish
this thread.
Believe it or not i have NOTHING against any of these guys, EVEN BRAD. We
are adults and from time to time we act like kids, Eric thanks for your kind
words, and please let's not talk about this thread ever again. I will NOT
reply.
Darby was not at fault.
Thanks
On 10/3/07, darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It was good drama, either way. Airing things publicly gets them moving
> along quickly. It is not always a bad thing if you got ripped off (not
> saying anyone did). It was a fun read. I got ripped off by an organization
> for a lot of money. I plan to print out signs, and picket their business,
> driving their customers away, and get it on the news :) Publicity can be a
> great thing when your trying to solve a problem that is not getting solved.
>
> DR
>
> On 10/3/07, Eric Dobyns <eric_dobyns@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I feel compelled to speak on this thread; I apologize for reopening a
> > wound
> > and I agree with Gary, this is getting tedious. IMHO, none of this
> > should
> > have been broadcast on a public forum. This is private business between
> > NLI
> > and the parties involved.
> >
> > I don't know the details of what happened between Narbik and Victor and
> > NLI/ccbootcamp. I was fortunate enough to attend a couple of bootcamps
> > at
> > NLI when Narbik was teaching and I met Victor while there. Narbik is
> > one of
> > the best instructors I have ever had for ANY subject. He could teach my
> > dog
> > how to implement BGP. Although I don't know Victor well, he seemed like
> > a
> > great guy when I met him. I know for a fact that Narbik is always there
> >
> > with advice to his current and former students and I respect him
> > greatly.
> >
> > I am sorry that the business relationship between NLI/Brad Ellis soured
> > with
> > Narbik and Victor. I don't know why it happened, but NLI certainly lost
> >
> > some good people in the process. That said, I am sure Brad will find
> > (or
> > has found) good replacements.
> >
> > The people involved (Brad, Victor and Narbik) are real people with
> > feelings.
> > I don't know why Darby felt the need to intervene publicly and broadcast
> >
> > this issue, but I don't think it helps Victor, Narbik or NLI. I really
> > can't believe he did that. He annoyed the heck out of the rest of us
> > and,
> > intentionally or not, gave a bad impression of Narbik, Victor, Brad and
> > NLI,
> > which is based solely on rumour. It's a private matter that should have
> > stayed private between the individuals involved.
> >
> > For my part, I want everyone to know that regardless of what has been
> > said,
> > I know first hand that Narbik is a great instructor who takes a genuine
> > interest in his students, long after the class is over. You could not
> > ask
> > for a better instructor.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto: nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Gary
> > Duncanson
> > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:22 AM
> > To: Darby Weaver
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com ; swm@emanon.com; vcappuccio@gmail.com;
> > Narbik
> > Kocharians
> > Subject: Re: NLI R&S volume 7 Lab 3
> >
> > Guys
> >
> > Can we knock all this off please? It's getting really bloody tedius.
> >
> > TIA
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > To: "Darby Weaver" < darbyweaver@yahoo.com>; "Narbik Kocharians"
> > <narbikk@gmail.com>
> > Cc: "Scott Morris" <swm@emanon.com>; "Victor Cappuccio"
> > <vcappuccio@gmail.com>; <Jay.Hanke@alltel.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >
> > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 4:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: NLI R&S volume 7 Lab 3
> >
> >
> > > All and Narbik,
> > >
> > > For the record, I have reviewed the email chain and
> > > had a chance to review it in the daylight hours.
> > >
> > > 1. Narbik - you are wrong - the email where you
> > > "jokingly - I hope" mentioned buying copyright
> > > materials (NLI specifically) and giving them away was
> > > published to GS by you and not by me. It is in this
> > > email where you mentioned not getting paid by NLI for
> > > workbooks, etc. and then changed your story and blamed
> > > me for publishing the email to GS. Please review your
> > > sent emails. I did review mine. This is a very
> > > serious statement and one which I do not condone. In
> > > the same email you mentioned for the second time about
> > > your class in Las Vegas and also told Victor you would
> > > check with FastLane about the CCSI thing.
> > >
> > > 2. I asked questions based on the information given -
> > > Sorry, it's what I do if something seems not quite
> > > right. Brad wrote me and asked me to stay out of it,
> > > since each person's situation was and is different. I
> > > was concerned since I did recommend Victor to consider
> > > employment initially with Brad and NLI. But again,
> > > the questions have been raised and I understand their
> > > is now a dialog occurring in private where it should
> > > be.
> > >
> > > 3. I do not appreciate Narbik implying that I
> > > published his private emails that were unicast - I did
> > > not and wish the record to be clear on the matter. As
> > > far as I can tell Victor did not either. It looks to
> > > be a simple mistake where Narbik, himself, replied to
> > > all - and ccielab@groupstudy happened to be on the
> > > recipient list. A simple misunderstanding. I did not
> > > write those words and do not wish to take credit for
> > > someone even implying buying a vendor's works and then
> > > publishing them publicly and for spite or revenge.
> > > This is not my character and I am not happy that
> > > Narbik thinks I would have deliberately published or
> > > replied to this line of reasoning.
> > >
> > > 4. For the record, Victor, the author of his own
> > > works, may or may not choose, to introduce those works
> > > to the public domain, however, I think he has been
> > > very careful to ensure he does not confuse what is
> > > copyright and what is not. Look carefully.
> > >
> > > 5. I do think a lot of people's character came out of
> > > this and if one really cares one would follow-up. And
> > > by the way, for Brad's part, he did respond
> > > professionally at least to me unicast, I would think
> > > he has done the same to the other parties of this
> > > email.
> > >
> > > 6. Finger-pointing is not a skill required for the
> > > CCIE Lab. We are all adults and one should never say
> > > in email anything that is not to be repeated. We
> > > should also be careful whatever we write in email,
> > > especially with such statements that can be quite
> > > badly sent and received.
> > >
> > > 7. Sorry to all bystanders for this public display -
> > > however, given I felt like I was becoming a scapegoat
> > > by a known and reputable CCIE Trainer for making
> > > copyright materials public - I felt I should clear the
> > > air and be very clear, that I did agree with Victor,
> > > that any materials created by Victor, and NOT paid for
> > > or owned by anyone else could be made public domain
> > > and thus invalidate their future sale value, IF Victor
> > > felt he needed to go that route. I also think it was
> > > in poor taste for a notable instructor, a creator of
> > > notable copyright materials, to even make such a
> > > statement in private or even if joking. However, the
> > > statement was made and not by myself or Victor.
> > >
> > > 8. As near as I can tell, NLI had not published for
> > > sale any labs so far that were unpaid for as of yet by
> > > Victor.
> > >
> > > 9. I think that wraps it up for my part. Trust me, I
> > > do not like my words to ever be confused for what I
> > > did and did not say.
> > >
> > >
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-- Narbik Kocharians CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security) CCSI# 30832 www.Net-WorkBooks.com
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