From: Keith (mkbcoolman@gmail.com)
Date: Tue Oct 02 2007 - 22:35:54 ART
Joe - That was the best post ever.
On 10/2/07, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
>
> "This upcoming group of network engineer's" is more concerned with passing
> their certifications in a tightening job market as the US enters a
> recession, than worrying about a $250 Billion dollar, Fortune 100
> Company's
> bottom line is doing...
>
> Cisco makes its money on the backs of Know-nothing-technical, half-wit,
> Vice
> presidents and CIO's that beat the "If I buy Cisco I'll always have a job"
> drum until their Cartier Cufflinks pop off their well appointed Armani
> Prive
> custom broadcloth 220's.
>
> How can I say this? I'm a "Cisco adherent"!
>
> I love Cisco. I think their product is the best. But its often
> ill-deployed
> and over purchased. I love Coca-Cola too. But I don't drink 20 bottles of
> its rich, dark, High Fructose Corn syrup goodness before bed either...
>
> I walk into many engagements and find crazy things like 8 Sup-32's in
> boxes
> (while all the production switches have Sup720's???), or a box of 100
> SFP's
> in the closet in a network with all 10/100/1000Gbps blades on 6509E's.
>
> So "don't cry for me Argentina" on this one Darby. I'm sure Cisco's
> software
> licensing KriegsGruppen can stand down on this one, and let it slide. They
> need these guys pretty damn bad to keep all this stuff workin'
>
> -Joe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darby Weaver [mailto:darbyweaver@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:27 AM
> To: Joseph Brunner; 'Scott M Vermillion'; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: OT: Dynamips - Is it legal to use it with Cisco's IOS for Study?
>
>
> At this point you think this question would have been
> answered completely and concisely.
>
> On a forum I am a member of, some of our members are
> concerned about the legality of using Dynamips and the
> IOS and violating the terms of usage of the IOS as
> provided by Cisco's copyright or fair usage etc.
> Whatever the exact legal language may be.
>
> A newly formed "watchdog forum" called certguard was
> asked about this matter and they consulted the author
> of Dynamips and he gave his response - available on
> the certguard forum.
>
> Now my question is primarily aimed at the vendors here
> since I suspect they have the answer already since
> they are offering lab workbooks (one of which I'm
> preparing to by at this very moment) and are generally
> condoning and supporting the usdage of Dynamips for.
>
> I do not mean to sound "out of my mind" by asking the
> question, since obviously this is the best lab prep
> tool since a real router came along... and got
> affordable on ebay (I do not think Cisco is happy
> about that market either - used/gray) but it is a part
> of life now too.
>
> So here are the questions:
>
> 1. Are users of Dynamips using the IOS illegally and
> against what the IOS was designed to do by using it
> with Dynamips?
>
> 2. Obviously people can do whatever they want in their
> own homes, but are forums and lists like groupstudy,
> or even vendors to be considered ethically-challenged
> for condoning and even recommending the usage of
> Dynamips in this fashion.
>
> 3. What is Cisco's official take on the matter?
>
> It may sound odd to some of us here, but I have a very
> devout group of upcoming networking engineers who care
> very much what Cisco thinks and they do not wish to be
> amoral, nor appear unethical in any way, and while
> some really want to use the product, do not want to
> publicly create a legal issue for themselves and the
> forums/lists they frequent in the future.
>
>
> So if anyone has the definitive answer and I suspect
> guys like NetMasterClass, InternetworkExpert and
> others who are catering to the use of Dynamips have
> already bridged this question and have a firm and
> quotable answer from Cisco that is going to be very
> satisfactoty.
>
> Sorry if this has already come up and I missed it, but
> I read GS alot and did not think it passed my eyes
> before.
>
> I must admit that since I own several real racks of
> gear and always have at least one fully reachable from
> anywhere on the Internet, this has never been a
> question for me, but I am also concerned since I, too,
> am seeing a definate need and place for this
> outstanding little tool called Dynamips. And I love
> the fact that guys like InternetworkExpert support a
> workbook dedicated to it as well.
>
>
> - I know what is this guy thinking at 2:30am in the
> morning... I've got an appointment tomorrow that
> scares the hell out of me and I'm having trouble
> sleeping - no it is not a lab.
>
> :)
>
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-- Keith Bizzell CCIE # 18798
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