From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Sep 24 2007 - 16:19:42 ART
Unfortunately some of the people in HR are still confused between Cisco and
SYSCO, and that's the truth.
On 9/24/07, Keith Bizzell <mkbcoolman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'll second Rik and Joe's comments. We live in a knowledged based
> society.
> Learning should always be a passion of a CCIE.
>
> //rant on
> I never hear an actual CCIE question the value of the certification. It's
> always something like 'I heard this from a recruiter/job posting/forum,
> etc.'. Well guess what? They're lying. They're used car salesmen.
> Corporate HR is only slightly better. Don't listed to the BS. Know your
> stuff, prove your value, and the CCIE is icing on the cake.
> //rant off
>
> My $0.02.
>
> On 9/24/07, Guyler, Rik <rguyler@shp-dayton.org> wrote:
>
> > All true Joe. I think Santiamo is looking at this strictly from a
> > certification perspective rather than a learning experience. Most of us
> > that have been doing this for some time agree that what we learn along
> the
> > way is really what makes us the "expert" and not the certificate at the
> > end.
> > The certificate is an awesome reward true enough but the real "prize" is
> > the
> > learning experience working towards that.
> >
> > I don't have my certificate yet but learning what I have over years in
> > preparation have made me a much better Engineer than I ever would have
> > been
> > without the experience. And that is worth a nice increase in salary.
> >
> > Rik
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Joseph Brunner
> > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:44 PM
> > To: 'Santiamo'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: Hurry up and get your number before its too late!
> >
> > You're wrong...
> >
> > Forget the certification in and of it self. Consider what value knowing
> a
> > "CCIE" level of knowledge is worth. You need to be an excellent
> designer,
> > integrator, troubleshooter, and much much more to be worth anything.
> >
> > I have ran on about all the bad people I have worked with over the
> > years...
> >
> > You should at least do it to make sure if you are in the field you have
> a
> > clue of what you're doing...
> >
> > I solve problems all the time in my consulting arena that because of my
> > CCIE
> > studies are easy and take seconds. Years back they would have taken days
> > or
> > I wouldn't have been able to solve them at all.
> >
> > ;)
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Santiamo
> > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:26 PM
> > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: Hurry up and get your number before its too late!
> >
> > Kind of indicates a market trend or belief that the CCIE is not as
> viable
> > in todays job market and that it looks to become less viable. Kind of
> > makes
> > me wonder, what would be the point of achieving the CCIE if others
> believe
> > it is easy or not worth as much?
> >
> > I am studying for my R&S as my first IE attempt, then move on to the
> > Security. I will not move beyond two, since I believe it is not
> feasible
> > to
> > realistically be an expert beyond two. But, with everything that I have
> > seen on the market and on Groupstudy, I am starting get really
> discouraged
> > in the pursuit of the CCIE.
> >
> > Any advice from the ones you have been out there for a while?
> >
> > Santi
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Gary
> > Duncanson
> > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 10:31 AM
> > To: WorkerBee
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Hurry up and get your number before its too late!
> >
> > Numbers aside, lots of people survive complex work and responsibilities
> > without the CCIE. They basically want someone with the CCIE who has
> > experience really and this is the yardstick they choose to use. Anyone
> > whizzo who has recently found the time to clear the CCIE need not apply.
> > Any
> > old timers who got laid off the last few years but kept up with recerts
> > can
> > apply.
> >
> > Strange. But I suppose they have their reasons!
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "WorkerBee" <ciscobee@gmail.com>
> > To: "Guyler, Rik" <rguyler@shp-dayton.org>
> > Cc: "Scott Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>; "Gregory Gombas"
> > <ggombas@gmail.com>; "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 1:51 AM
> > Subject: Re: Hurry up and get your number before its too late!
> >
> >
> > > What the ads is trying to say is, I want a CCIE with at least 2 years
> > > of being a CCIE after passing the lab exam. numbers < 15000 will at
> > > least have gone through one paper re-certification. Probably, they
> > > should rephrase it as "minimum 2 years of working experience as a
> > > certified CCIE" maybe sounds more pleasant...
> > >
> > > Passing the lab and carrying that number with you with your job is a
> > > massive responsibility. If you can survive that massive number hanging
> > > around the neck for at least 2 years and working in networking related
> > > field with a fairly decent complex work, chances are, you're not a
> > > *fake* paper CCIE. :p
> > >
> > > Sales folks also carry number, so does a CCIE. But the good thing is,
> > > our number never grows year-on-year~ :)
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/22/07, Guyler, Rik <rguyler@shp-dayton.org> wrote:
> > >> Oooooh...Nrf's gonna get you guys.... ;-)
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > >> Of Scott Vermillion
> > >> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 4:19 PM
> > >> To: 'Gregory Gombas'; 'Joseph Brunner'
> > >> Cc: 'Cisco certification'
> > >> Subject: RE: Hurry up and get your number before its too late!
> > >>
> > >> Used car salesmen have values??
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> > >> Of Gregory Gombas
> > >> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:03 PM
> > >> To: Joseph Brunner
> > >> Cc: Cisco certification
> > >> Subject: Re: Hurry up and get your number before its too late!
> > >>
> > >> Yup - There are a lot of clueless managers who think the CCIE is now
> > >> a lot easier than it was back in the days. These are the same
> > >> ex-engineers who haven't logged into a router in five years.
> > >>
> > >> Can you believe I even had a headhunter tell me once that the CCIE is
> > >> easy now and you can find copies of the lab on the web!!!
> > >> This is coming from someone with little more technical ability and
> > >> the values of a used car salesman!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 9/21/07, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
> > >> > Really?
> > >> >
> > >> > My old boss was like 65XX. Do you think he has a clue about modern
> > >> > qos,
> > >> and
> > >> > what is going on now?
> > >> >
> > >> > I once had to explain to him why we don't use custom queuing for
> > >> > our voip between the offices... ;)
> > >> >
> > >> > The time holding the CCIE doesn't always translate into more years
> > >> > of staying on top. Not all Generals serve in Brian Dennis's, Scott
> > >> > Morris's
> > >> and
> > >> > Nardik's active duty command.
> > >> >
> > >> > Many retreat to arm chair's, bbq's and raising children.
> > >> >
> > >> > I interviewed 89XX back in March. It was as disaster. He was a
> > >> > double IE, R&S/SECURITY. He couldn't tell me how to configure a
> > >> > catalyst switch to support a cisco voip deployment.
> > >> >
> > >> > NO kidding...
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > >> > Behalf Of Gregory Gombas
> > >> > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 11:11 AM
> > >> > To: Cisco certification
> > >> > Subject: Hurry up and get your number before its too late!
> > >> >
> > >> > Check out this job ad - says they prefer CCIE below 15000. I
> > >> > remember a few years ago they wanted CCIE's below 10000. Next it
> > >> > will be below 20000 - hope I make that threshold!
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> >
> http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=101&dockey=xml/f/6/f6d
> > >> > a82e500534edb88b4d2ab26945b0f@endecaindex&c=1&source=20
> > >> >
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-- Narbik Kocharians CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security) CCSI# 30832 www.Net-WorkBooks.com
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