From: Santiamo (ccie@texas.net)
Date: Sun Sep 23 2007 - 23:25:32 ART
Kind of indicates a market trend or belief that the CCIE is not as viable
in todays job market and that it looks to become less viable. Kind of makes
me wonder, what would be the point of achieving the CCIE if others believe
it is easy or not worth as much?
I am studying for my R&S as my first IE attempt, then move on to the
Security. I will not move beyond two, since I believe it is not feasible to
realistically be an expert beyond two. But, with everything that I have
seen on the market and on Groupstudy, I am starting get really discouraged
in the pursuit of the CCIE.
Any advice from the ones you have been out there for a while?
Santi
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Duncanson
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 10:31 AM
To: WorkerBee
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Hurry up and get your number before its too late!
Numbers aside, lots of people survive complex work and responsibilities
without the CCIE. They basically want someone with the CCIE who has
experience really and this is the yardstick they choose to use. Anyone
whizzo who has recently found the time to clear the CCIE need not apply. Any
old timers who got laid off the last few years but kept up with recerts can
apply.
Strange. But I suppose they have their reasons!
----- Original Message -----
From: "WorkerBee" <ciscobee@gmail.com>
To: "Guyler, Rik" <rguyler@shp-dayton.org>
Cc: "Scott Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>; "Gregory Gombas"
<ggombas@gmail.com>; "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: Hurry up and get your number before its too late!
> What the ads is trying to say is, I want a CCIE with at least 2 years of
> being
> a CCIE after passing the lab exam. numbers < 15000 will at least have
> gone through
> one paper re-certification. Probably, they should rephrase it as
> "minimum 2 years of working experience as a certified CCIE" maybe
> sounds more pleasant...
>
> Passing the lab and carrying that number with you with your job is a
> massive
> responsibility. If you can survive that massive number hanging around the
> neck
> for at least 2 years and working in networking related field with a
> fairly decent
> complex work, chances are, you're not a *fake* paper CCIE. :p
>
> Sales folks also carry number, so does a CCIE. But the good thing is,
> our number never grows year-on-year~ :)
>
>
> On 9/22/07, Guyler, Rik <rguyler@shp-dayton.org> wrote:
>> Oooooh...Nrf's gonna get you guys.... ;-)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Scott Vermillion
>> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 4:19 PM
>> To: 'Gregory Gombas'; 'Joseph Brunner'
>> Cc: 'Cisco certification'
>> Subject: RE: Hurry up and get your number before its too late!
>>
>> Used car salesmen have values??
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Gregory Gombas
>> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 2:03 PM
>> To: Joseph Brunner
>> Cc: Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: Hurry up and get your number before its too late!
>>
>> Yup - There are a lot of clueless managers who think the CCIE is now a
>> lot
>> easier than it was back in the days. These are the same ex-engineers who
>> haven't logged into a router in five years.
>>
>> Can you believe I even had a headhunter tell me once that the CCIE is
>> easy
>> now and you can find copies of the lab on the web!!!
>> This is coming from someone with little more technical ability and the
>> values of a used car salesman!
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/21/07, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com> wrote:
>> > Really?
>> >
>> > My old boss was like 65XX. Do you think he has a clue about modern
>> > qos,
>> and
>> > what is going on now?
>> >
>> > I once had to explain to him why we don't use custom queuing for our
>> > voip between the offices... ;)
>> >
>> > The time holding the CCIE doesn't always translate into more years of
>> > staying on top. Not all Generals serve in Brian Dennis's, Scott
>> > Morris's
>> and
>> > Nardik's active duty command.
>> >
>> > Many retreat to arm chair's, bbq's and raising children.
>> >
>> > I interviewed 89XX back in March. It was as disaster. He was a double
>> > IE, R&S/SECURITY. He couldn't tell me how to configure a catalyst
>> > switch to support a cisco voip deployment.
>> >
>> > NO kidding...
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>> > Of Gregory Gombas
>> > Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 11:11 AM
>> > To: Cisco certification
>> > Subject: Hurry up and get your number before its too late!
>> >
>> > Check out this job ad - says they prefer CCIE below 15000. I remember
>> > a few years ago they wanted CCIE's below 10000. Next it will be below
>> > 20000 - hope I make that threshold!
>> >
>> >
>>
http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=101&dockey=xml/f/6/f6d
>> > a82e500534edb88b4d2ab26945b0f@endecaindex&c=1&source=20
>> >
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