From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Wed Sep 19 2007 - 23:14:43 ART
Only if you really do something to deserve it. :)
You have to consider that people come up to them all the time insisting
there are HW/SW issues. Very likely they could tell you exactly what
self-induced problem you have going on, because they've probably seen all of
them! But that's not their job.
IF you believe you have a HW/SW problem, they are correct, you aren't the
first person on the rack. That very likely rules out SW bugs. Still a
possibility, albeit small, of hardware problems (they test the racks in the
morning before a candidate sits down as well). But they can reasonably
expect to hear what you have done do isolate that it really is a HW problem.
If your case is plausible, they'll look into it, either making you sit off
to the side or just staying off that router/switch while they look at it.
But statistically speaking, it is more likely something self-induced.
And their response/sarcasm/not-liking-the-candidate is most likely a
reflection on how they are treated. While everyone knows that the CCIE lab
is a stressful 8 hours, that isn't an excuse to not be professional. In the
several times I have been through the lab, I have seen an interesting set of
exchanges (from a distance), and I am sure that any proctor can come up with
a long list of bad behavior they see all the time.
As a candidate, what we need to remember is that it is the proctor's job to
oversee the lab, the candidates and the equipment. It's not their job to
put up with people acting badly. They see all sorts of issues. They see
all sorts of results of issues (e.g. the grading), so there likely is not
any error or screw up that anyone will come up with that they haven't seen
before. So outside of the frustration, you might consider taking the
comment of "you're not the first person to be tested on that rack" how it
was meant, which was a way to diffuse the argument of whatever isn't working
properly isn't a novel thing.
Once wireless comes in, we can always try some creative new excuses like the
quantity of RF is clearly causing electro-magnetic interference with my
cables which is why things aren't working right. But until such time, we'll
have to rely on the proctor's expertise on things unless we can prove
otherwise in a reasonable amount of time.
(I'm trying to build up my excuse list just for entertainment value!)
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE-M
#153, CISSP, et al.
CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-ER
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PS. I didn't mean "you" personally, but just as a descriptor of whoever is
a candidate taking the exam.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Joseph Brunner
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:36 PM
To: 'Marko Milivojevic'; 'Eric Dobyns'; 'Antonio Soares';
ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE lab and how tasks are graded - example.
I'm really waiting for him to say "well that is why I'm a CCIE and you're on
attempt, ah yes, ____________. So let me fail you now and give you a 2 hour
head start on Silicon Valley rush hour traffic getting back to the airport."
Can they say that?
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Marko Milivojevic
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:31 PM
To: Joseph Brunner; 'Eric Dobyns'; 'Antonio Soares'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE lab and how tasks are graded - example.
> Some Proctors tell you to read the question again, or "you're not the
first
> person to be tested on that rack"
It all depends on how you ask the question. If you ask the proctor the
question, offer your understanding of it, as well as solutions for your
understanding, you are more than likely going to get pretty straight answer,
or clarification f our understanding.
However, don't expect proctor to answer you the question "how do I do
that?".
At one time during my lab, I even had sort of an argument with proctor
regarding one question that was so completely vague that I thought just
doing nothing about it is the actual answer to it. I eventually gave up
trying to interpret it and moved on.
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