From: Scott Vermillion (scott_ccie_list.com@it-ag.com)
Date: Fri Sep 07 2007 - 00:47:30 ART
Agreed and well-said. All throughout the years I had always heard that the
written was meant merely to filter out all but the very least likely
candidates for the lab, but I found v3.0 to be quite a challenge indeed
(never took any other version, can't offer any kind of contrast)...
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Darby Weaver
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 9:09 PM
To: Scott Vermillion; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: I suck
The CCIE Written Exams these days are pretty well
written and mirror at least some of the concepts one
might expect to see in the lab.
So... if one passes it legit, one should be a firm
candidate for the lab.
If one takes the easy road to passing it, then the lab
will be correspondingly more difficult and it often
is.
--- Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list.com@it-ag.com>
wrote:
> You've got a point there on the testkingers Dick. I
> think those are the types who put "CCIE Written" in
> their signature block and never plan to change it,
> LOL...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Caleb
> Dick
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 5:30 PM
> To: Darby Weaver; Guyler, Rik; 'Joseph Brunner';
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: I suck
>
> I applaud all efforts and determination to acieve
> this goal. One of the things I found as an
> instructor is that the smartest people usually
> struggled on tests. They tend to over analyze the
> task . I always told my student to remember KISS,
> keep it simple stupid, give the test what it wants
> nothing more nothing less.
>
> As for your comment about the testkingers out there,
> while there may be some, not everyone attempting the
> CCIE has vast hands on experience. The first time I
> touched a 6500 was last week and I am taking the lab
> in February, not that it really matters sinnce it is
> not on the equipment list. There are plenty of
> people out there who can read a book and test on it,
> although I have a couple years experience, I am one
> of them. I do not have the experience needed to
> pass the lab yet but I blew the written away. It
> was networking theory. A written test is much
> different then a practical exam. So, just because
> someone is having trouble with the practical side of
> this milestone, dont assume they memorized a bunch
> of questions to get there. Some people stress under
> pressure and dont know how to deal with it. Maybe I
> am wrong, but I dont see someone using testking for
> the written blowing 1250 for the lab, unless their
> company is paying for it and then they will be
> disappointed.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> To: "Guyler, Rik" <rguyler@shp-dayton.org>; "'Joseph
> Brunner'" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>;
> "ccielab@groupstudy.com" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: 9/6/2007 2:38 PM
> Subject: RE: I suck
>
> Thanks Rik,
>
> I'm not too far away and I feel fairly confident in
> my
> day-to-day job tasks.
>
> I just need more grease in the core areas. I
> started
> last night greasing the wheels again.
>
> My day-to-day has helped soldify any gaps with a
> number of subjects - so this will add a bit of
> confidence on lab day.
>
> However, it's the interpretation that is the killer.
>
> Prioritzing and re-prioritizing competing goals for
> time is always the hardest part for me.
>
> Later
>
>
> --- "Guyler, Rik" <rguyler@shp-dayton.org> wrote:
>
> > Heh...don't forget getting older as the ol' memory
> > ain't what she used to
> > be!
> >
> > Honestly Darby, after reading your posts for the
> > last few months I think you
> > have to be in a similar situation as Joe is. I'm
> > sure you're not that far
> > off. Me, I feel a million miles away but I just
> > recently started hitting
> > the studies again hard so I'm not blowing off the
> > rust...more like scraping
> > it. ;-)
> >
> > Rik
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Darby Weaver [mailto:darbyweaver@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:39 PM
> > To: Guyler, Rik; 'Joseph Brunner';
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: I suck
> >
> > Well...
> >
> > Don't feel that badly old buddy.
> >
> > I'm mostly in the same boat. Hitting the brick
> and
> > mortar and working from
> > the bottom up again.
> >
> > Going back through each technology to ensure I can
> > do it and explain how I
> > did it. Lately, I've had a bit of difficulty
> > explaining things as detailed
> > as I feel I should and this is probably why I'm
> > still not quite over the
> > threshold just yet.
> >
> > So...
> >
> > You got company.
> >
> >
> > --- "Guyler, Rik" <rguyler@shp-dayton.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Joe, I don't think there is a doubter among us
> > where your passing is
> > > concerned. I think you're doing it right by
> > jumping right back into
> > > it. I didn't after my two attempts and regret
> > taking time off. I
> > > plan to hit it again in Arpil and if I don't
> pass
> > then again in May or
> > > June. After that the accounting department will
> > have to see if I have
> > > any funds left since this is out of pocket for
> me.
> > ;-)
> > >
> > > Rik
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Joseph
> > Brunner
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:19 PM
> > > To: 'Jorge Martinez'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: I suck
> > >
> > > Not long... I have already scheduled a lab date
> > for next month.
> > > I encourage everyone else who fails to be as
> > serious. In a few decades
> > > at best we'll be dead, lying in a nursing home
> > with our bodies in
> > > stasis, or long forgotten by our grateful
> > children. You don't have
> > > time to "see how my friend does on the lab",
> "Wait
> > until my boss wants
> > > me to get my CCIE", I hear it all...
> > >
> > > I'm actually running a bunch of stuff through my
> > lab tonight. I'll be
> > > reading the DocCD all weekend, analyzing the
> > wording of the real thing
> > > again and again as I go, compared to the IE WB's
> > and my own
> > > understanding how dependant tasks rely on early
> > things... remember
> > > it's a challenge to build it, then not break it.
> > >
> > > I'll probably do about 120 hours hands-on and
> 100
> > hours reading the
> > > next month. I keep everything in excel sheets
> with
> > notes about what to
> > > re-read, lab up. One thing I did this last time
> > was make my own study
> > > notes based on the IE Labs, my vs. the brian's
> > solutions, etc.
> > > Those should come in handy I
> > > expand my horizon on what is a possible
> challenge
> > with seemingly
> > > simple stuff, etc.
> > >
> > > Have fun!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jorge Martinez
> [mailto:jorge_bgp@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:04 PM
> > > To: Joseph Brunner; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: I suck
> > >
> > > Congratulations that now you are confident on
> > those points (and took
> > > them from that Monster !!!), and should be your
> > motive to go for the
> > > third attempt, ...
> > > you know now how to get the hardest ones
> > > (BGP/QoS/Security) and go for the next ones !!!
> > >
> > > How long you will wait for the next one?
> > >
> > > Jorge
> > >
> > > --- Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Who gets all the BGP/QOS/SECURITY points and
> > STILL
> > > FAILS the LAB?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > LOL,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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