From: Erwin D (t4lruum@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Sep 07 2007 - 00:33:30 ART
Isn't all the concept that will be examined in lab mostly covered in
written? I mean, we understand the concept first, then take the written, the
lab is just application on what's on the written. Looking at the blueprint,
they're really similary. CMIIW.
thanks,
~Erwin
On 9/7/07, Darby Weaver <darbyweaver@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> The CCIE Written Exams these days are pretty well
> written and mirror at least some of the concepts one
> might expect to see in the lab.
>
> So... if one passes it legit, one should be a firm
> candidate for the lab.
>
> If one takes the easy road to passing it, then the lab
> will be correspondingly more difficult and it often
> is.
>
>
>
>
> --- Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list.com@it-ag.com>
> wrote:
>
> > You've got a point there on the testkingers Dick. I
> > think those are the types who put "CCIE Written" in
> > their signature block and never plan to change it,
> > LOL...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Caleb
> > Dick
> > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 5:30 PM
> > To: Darby Weaver; Guyler, Rik; 'Joseph Brunner';
> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: I suck
> >
> > I applaud all efforts and determination to acieve
> > this goal. One of the things I found as an
> > instructor is that the smartest people usually
> > struggled on tests. They tend to over analyze the
> > task . I always told my student to remember KISS,
> > keep it simple stupid, give the test what it wants
> > nothing more nothing less.
> >
> > As for your comment about the testkingers out there,
> > while there may be some, not everyone attempting the
> > CCIE has vast hands on experience. The first time I
> > touched a 6500 was last week and I am taking the lab
> > in February, not that it really matters sinnce it is
> > not on the equipment list. There are plenty of
> > people out there who can read a book and test on it,
> > although I have a couple years experience, I am one
> > of them. I do not have the experience needed to
> > pass the lab yet but I blew the written away. It
> > was networking theory. A written test is much
> > different then a practical exam. So, just because
> > someone is having trouble with the practical side of
> > this milestone, dont assume they memorized a bunch
> > of questions to get there. Some people stress under
> > pressure and dont know how to deal with it. Maybe I
> > am wrong, but I dont see someone using testking for
> > the written blowing 1250 for the lab, unless their
> > company is paying for it and then they will be
> > disappointed.
> >
> > Just my two cents.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Darby Weaver" <darbyweaver@yahoo.com>
> > To: "Guyler, Rik" <rguyler@shp-dayton.org>; "'Joseph
> > Brunner'" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>;
> > "ccielab@groupstudy.com" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: 9/6/2007 2:38 PM
> > Subject: RE: I suck
> >
> > Thanks Rik,
> >
> > I'm not too far away and I feel fairly confident in
> > my
> > day-to-day job tasks.
> >
> > I just need more grease in the core areas. I
> > started
> > last night greasing the wheels again.
> >
> > My day-to-day has helped soldify any gaps with a
> > number of subjects - so this will add a bit of
> > confidence on lab day.
> >
> > However, it's the interpretation that is the killer.
> >
> > Prioritzing and re-prioritizing competing goals for
> > time is always the hardest part for me.
> >
> > Later
> >
> >
> > --- "Guyler, Rik" <rguyler@shp-dayton.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Heh...don't forget getting older as the ol' memory
> > > ain't what she used to
> > > be!
> > >
> > > Honestly Darby, after reading your posts for the
> > > last few months I think you
> > > have to be in a similar situation as Joe is. I'm
> > > sure you're not that far
> > > off. Me, I feel a million miles away but I just
> > > recently started hitting
> > > the studies again hard so I'm not blowing off the
> > > rust...more like scraping
> > > it. ;-)
> > >
> > > Rik
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Darby Weaver [mailto:darbyweaver@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:39 PM
> > > To: Guyler, Rik; 'Joseph Brunner';
> > > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: I suck
> > >
> > > Well...
> > >
> > > Don't feel that badly old buddy.
> > >
> > > I'm mostly in the same boat. Hitting the brick
> > and
> > > mortar and working from
> > > the bottom up again.
> > >
> > > Going back through each technology to ensure I can
> > > do it and explain how I
> > > did it. Lately, I've had a bit of difficulty
> > > explaining things as detailed
> > > as I feel I should and this is probably why I'm
> > > still not quite over the
> > > threshold just yet.
> > >
> > > So...
> > >
> > > You got company.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "Guyler, Rik" <rguyler@shp-dayton.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Joe, I don't think there is a doubter among us
> > > where your passing is
> > > > concerned. I think you're doing it right by
> > > jumping right back into
> > > > it. I didn't after my two attempts and regret
> > > taking time off. I
> > > > plan to hit it again in Arpil and if I don't
> > pass
> > > then again in May or
> > > > June. After that the accounting department will
> > > have to see if I have
> > > > any funds left since this is out of pocket for
> > me.
> > > ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Rik
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
> > > > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Joseph
> > > Brunner
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:19 PM
> > > > To: 'Jorge Martinez'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: RE: I suck
> > > >
> > > > Not long... I have already scheduled a lab date
> > > for next month.
> > > > I encourage everyone else who fails to be as
> > > serious. In a few decades
> > > > at best we'll be dead, lying in a nursing home
> > > with our bodies in
> > > > stasis, or long forgotten by our grateful
> > > children. You don't have
> > > > time to "see how my friend does on the lab",
> > "Wait
> > > until my boss wants
> > > > me to get my CCIE", I hear it all...
> > > >
> > > > I'm actually running a bunch of stuff through my
> > > lab tonight. I'll be
> > > > reading the DocCD all weekend, analyzing the
> > > wording of the real thing
> > > > again and again as I go, compared to the IE WB's
> > > and my own
> > > > understanding how dependant tasks rely on early
> > > things... remember
> > > > it's a challenge to build it, then not break it.
> > > >
> > > > I'll probably do about 120 hours hands-on and
> > 100
> > > hours reading the
> > > > next month. I keep everything in excel sheets
> > with
> > > notes about what to
> > > > re-read, lab up. One thing I did this last time
> > > was make my own study
> > > > notes based on the IE Labs, my vs. the brian's
> > > solutions, etc.
> > > > Those should come in handy I
> > > > expand my horizon on what is a possible
> > challenge
> > > with seemingly
> > > > simple stuff, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Have fun!
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jorge Martinez
> > [mailto:jorge_bgp@yahoo.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:04 PM
> > > > To: Joseph Brunner; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > Subject: Re: I suck
> > > >
> > > > Congratulations that now you are confident on
> > > those points (and took
> > > > them from that Monster !!!), and should be your
> > > motive to go for the
> > > > third attempt, ...
> > > > you know now how to get the hardest ones
> > > > (BGP/QoS/Security) and go for the next ones !!!
> > > >
> > > > How long you will wait for the next one?
> > > >
> > > > Jorge
> > > >
> > > > --- Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Who gets all the BGP/QOS/SECURITY points and
> > > STILL
> > > > FAILS the LAB?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > LOL,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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