From: Scott Morris (swm@emanon.com)
Date: Thu Sep 06 2007 - 14:31:01 ART
Heheheh... Does anyone do Novell anymore? :) It's all unix stuff now,
isn't it?
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Duncanson
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 6:05 AM
To: Scott Morris
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE vs MCA
Right on. Particularly about the OSPF/Voice thing. I also wonder how
rigerous the MCA tests on areas like SAN, clustering and UNIX integration
etc.The MCA will not cover a lot of things. It might be useful for the site
failover thing. You worry about global load balancing while they worry about
the application side. Actually that's a good break, you worry about getting
packets someplace while the MCA gets bashed for the application churn and
screwed up address books and active directory across the entire enterprise:)
Interestingly the MCNE has retired this year. I suppose Novell are not
chasing the super duper concept.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
To: "'Joseph Brunner'" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 3:57 AM
Subject: RE: CCIE vs MCA
>I think that MS has simply realized that the MCSE only equates to a piece
>of
> paper that doesn't really help anyone determine which candidate sucks
> worse
> than the other one. The MCA is fairly rigorous, and more power to them.
> I
> only know of a couple people who have passed this cert and they've been
> around for eons, so it didn't surprise me at all.
>
> What's it mean to a CCIE? Nothing. Can we up the ante for the CCIE
> program. Sure, if they felt like it. But no matter what you do, it
> simply
> boils down to whether you can really "do" it or not. Talking about it, or
> selecting the right answer (or kinda-sorta-the-best-rightish answer) from
> a
> multiple choice exam doesn't exactly equate to an experienced individual.
>
> As people have noted before, neither does a CCIE lab. There are many real
> world issues to properly run a network that a CCIE candidate simply
> doesn't
> have to deal with. Probably a good thing anyway, it's a long enough eight
> hours! :)
>
> But that leaves room for improvement and/or enhancement. Stick around
> long
> enough and things will change.
>
> But I still wouldn't fear an MCA. I'd have 'em around in a heartbeat to
> design and implement a huge active directory and/or exchange network. But
> at the same time if they decided they wanted to try their hat at large
> scale
> OSPF design or voice implementations I'd have to hurt them.
>
> I don't think you're going to find all that many people with CCIE + MCA
> just
> because there isn't enough time in a work week to delve into that many
> areas
> of expertise! I suppose it's possible, but there's plenty of space for
> both
> to exist without worrying about which one is cooler than the other!
>
> If everyone worried about themselves and enhancing their own personal
> level
> of experience, we wouldn't have to worry about anything! :)
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Joseph Brunner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 4:29 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: CCIE vs MCA
>
> Sure you could call them apples and oranges, (or even cauliflowers and
> cantaloupes), but if you think failing the CCIE lab a few times is harsh.
>
>
>
> Check out Microsoft's MCA requirements.
>
>
>
> MCA : infrastructure
>
>
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/architect/archprocess/default.mspx
>
>
>
>
>
> MCA : messaging architect
>
>
>
> Candidates for the program must meet rigorous prerequisites. This ensures
> that individuals who have been accepted already possess many of the unique
> skills that are necessary to be effective. Years of experience working
> with
> Exchange are required, in addition to passing a lab-based entrance exam.
> During the rigorous training (four weeks, six days a week, 12 hours a
> day),
> several other tests are administered.
>
>
>
>
>
> If two of these tests are not passed, candidates are prohibited from
> taking
> the final qualification exam-they will not become Certified Messaging
> Architects.
>
>
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/architect/messaging/default.mspx
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I first thought this was an april fool's type joke. but it's real.
> Microsoft
> is making up for years of being a joke with their MCSE who can't set up a
> dhcp scope, etc.
>
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