From: darth router (darklordrouter@gmail.com)
Date: Sat Sep 01 2007 - 04:04:28 ART
You guys are going it all wrong. You have to fight analogy with analogy.
(Even if you arent a virgin, sometimes you would just rather whack off) =
DYNAMIPS!
I had a full CCIE lab, sold it, recouped money, and dynamips is much much
more efficient as far as building topologies and changing things.
bwahahahhaha!
On 9/1/07, Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote:
>
> I'll take this a step further Joe (and maybe you have a good answer, I
> don't presuppose with any degree of certainty, but I can suspect):
>
> Other than some of the text that flies by during the boot sequence, if
> the Brians secretly redirected you to a rack where the routers were all
> Dynamips instances (excepting the ISR, which Dynagen does not emulate as
> of this time), how would you know they had done that, exactly? Would it
> be the "feel" perhaps? The "force" maybe?
>
> I'll tell you one way you might notice: I can boot a router instance on
> this Mac Mini in a matter of a few seconds! I get "press return to get
> started" in a very small fraction of the time I do when booting a
> hardware router. Other than that and the aforementioned text thing, I'm
> not sure how you'd ever even know sitting from afar?
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: Dynagen folks...
> From: Scott Vermillion <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>
> Date: Fri, August 31, 2007 10:38 pm
> To: Cisco certification <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>
> I am a true Dynamips/Dynagen believer and have built my lab prep
> "rack"
> around it/them. Please explain, Joe, how I will fail the CCIE lab
> because of it ("nothing else can prepare you for the real thing")?
> What
> is it about that "feel" that makes the difference (can you go "feel"
> the
> routers during the practical? Can you "feel" the routers in that
> remote
> rack?)?
>
> This has the potential to become the next "CCIE vs. college degree"
> topic, me thinks. It's probably not a very good use of bandwidth,
> come
> to think of it LOL, but I can't resist asking you to elaborate on
> these
> seemingly unfounded generalizations. I would prefer that you answer
> with
> "I have hardware routers and I also run Dynamips/Dynagen on a machine
> of
> sufficient horsepower, and here are the things I can do on the former
> that I can't do on the latter *that matter in the lab* (i.e. don't
> tell
> me about toggling the power switch...yawn...you can't do that in the
> lab
> anyway by all accounts I've ever heard).
>
> I'll start, going the opposite direction:
>
> I run Dynamips/Dynagen on a machine of sufficient horsepower, and I
> can
> directly capture traffic from a router interface into a .cap file and
> scrutinize every one and zero using open source WireShark. When I
> want
> to do that w/ physical routers, I have to use Ethernet (no serial)
> and
> set up a span port on a switch or put a hub in between the two
> routers,
> with a machine running WireShark hanging off of the hub (and I'm
> obviously in HDX at this point, which means the test environment is
> different than the non-test environment). Otherwise, I'm limited to
> only
> debug. I, of course, acknowledge that you're limited to only debug in
> the lab, but in your preparation for the lab, it's powerful to have
> such
> a tool at your disposal so that you can truly understand what's going
> on
> under the hood when you see certain debug output.
>
> BTW, I'm told Juniper has this capability to write .cap files on
> physical
> routers, but I cannot personall y verify. I have never heard of such
> a
> capability on Cisco routers, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
>
> There are more, of course, but I've already stated many of them in
> other
> recent threads and posts...
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Dynagen folks...
> From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
> Date: Fri, August 31, 2007 9:53 pm
> To: "'Cisco certification'" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>
> Nothing feels as good as the real thing. And else nothing can prepare
> you
> for the real thing.
>
> (Remember if you only have had sex with a condom, your still a
> virgin, LOL)
>
> Check out the Brian's racks!
>
> http://www.affirmedsystems.com/photos/IERACKS.JPG
>
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