From: Scott Morris (smorris@ipexpert.com)
Date: Thu Aug 30 2007 - 21:41:25 ART
When in doubt, a little alcohol makes the solutions much more interesting.
:)
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:gary.duncanson@googlemail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 8:40 PM
To: smorris@ipexpert.com
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Preferred workbooks ???
Hard work rocks.
It's 1:31 am and I still can't get my BGP routes across to some router that
should have them on my home lab *grumble*
I can't imagine any shortcuts will really help my plight so have not
invested in any.
No doubt by battering away I may resolve matters. All these books at home
will probably help :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@ipexpert.com>
To: "'Narbik Kocharians'" <narbikk@gmail.com>; "'Hoogen'"
<hoogen82@gmail.com>
Cc: "'Gary Duncanson'" <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com>; "'Usankin, Andrew'"
<Andrew.Usankin@twtelecom.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:24 AM
Subject: RE: Preferred workbooks ???
> Heheheh... I don't think this is going to be a conversation where anyone
> comes out feeling good about things...
>
> IOS is in english? Ok, kinda sorta. But what percentage of the people
> working on the IOS code are "first language" english speakers? And who
> cares?
>
> I think this started out as an idea that some places cater to those who
> are
> interested in violating NDA. Regardless of the grasp of english language,
> some countries are more "hospitable" to those who want to run an Internet
> presence in the grey area of legality than others. Or more importantly
> some
> countries don't see things as a problem like others may.
>
> Perception is the problem. Anyway... Gender, religion, nationality and
> all
> that crap shouldn't really make a difference as far as we are concerned.
> Whatever site you go to, if something seems too easy, there's likely
> something wrong. Any reputable company doing CCIE work will not give you
> "shortcuts" to get to the end goal. Obviously there's marketing
> differences, and different styles in training. But nobody has shortcuts.
>
> Hard work was never easy. If you want the easy way, you aren't helping
> anyone (other than possibly putting money into the hands of people who
> aren't going to give it back anyway!)
>
> Just my two cents. Or two ruples, or yen, or whatever coinage du jour.
> ;)
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Narbik Kocharians
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:33 PM
> To: Hoogen
> Cc: Gary Duncanson; Usankin, Andrew; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Preferred workbooks ???
>
> Guys Cisco is a US base company and i dont know how that relates to Honda.
> Where do you think 170 Tasman drive is? Why do you think the IOS is in
> english.
>
> On 8/30/07, Hoogen <hoogen82@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I think we can all stop this personal attacks. Anything personal, guys
>> don't mail it to the group study i guess alot of people might be
>> getting pissed with this thread.
>>
>> Cisco is a global company. If it wasn't we would have been having ***
>> only in Amsterdam then.
>>
>> -Hoogen
>>
>> P.S: Andrew I guess I have answered you privately.
>>
>> On 8/30/07, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Privet Andrew.
>> >
>> > Fair comment.
>> >
>> > Gary
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Usankin, Andrew" <Andrew.Usankin@twtelecom.com>
>> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:06 PM
>> > Subject: RE: Preferred workbooks ???
>> >
>> >
>> > > "...Their English is awfully pathetic and it wouldn't surprise me
>> > > if these guys are found to be from China or Korea."
>> > >
>> > > They obviously speak well Chinese or Korean :) Can you?
>> > > I got my CCNP and CCDP back in Russia and by that time I didn't
>> > > speak English at all, I knew only technical English. So what?
>> > >
>> > > Andrew
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> > > Behalf
>> Of
>> > > Hoogen
>> > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:31 AM
>> > > To: Brad Ellis; Jonny English
>> > > Cc: cato hiroyasu; knight knight; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > Subject: Re: Preferred workbooks ???
>> > >
>> > > Well I guess Jonny was just inquiring so that the guys number can
>> > > be sent to Cisco NDA. The site resides in Korea FYI.
>> > >
>> > > Everyone's bothered now since the way CCIE numbers are flying
>> > > around that region China's explosion is unbelievable. I have met
>> > > some engineers from there who are good, but most of the CCIE's
>> > > don't even recognize a console port. Its becoming ridiculous and I
>> > > am really not sure what's Cisco's take on these sites as they have
>> > > been existing for
>> a
>> > > pretty long time violating the NDA.
>> > >
>> > > Their English is awfully pathetic and it wouldn't surprise me if
>> > > these guys are found to be from China or Korea.
>> > >
>> > > -Hoogen
>> > >
>> > > On 8/30/07, Brad Ellis <brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Do NOT purchase that crap and support the NDA violators. In
>> > >> addition, what happens if Cisco goes after them and get's their
>> > >> customer list and you're one of the people on it??? I'd say you
>> > >> were willing violating NDA by purchasing this material. Now that
>> > >> would be interesting... just a thought.
>> > >>
>> > >> thanks,
>> > >> Brad Ellis
>> > >> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
>> > >> CCSI# 30482
>> > >> CEO / President
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>> > >>
>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> > >> Behalf Of Jonny English
>> > >> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 11:44 AM
>> > >> To: cato hiroyasu
>> > >> Cc: knight knight; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > >> Subject: Re: Preferred workbooks ???
>> > >> Importance: Low
>> > >>
>> > >> whats your ccie number?
>> > >>
>> > >> On 8/30/07, cato hiroyasu <cato.hiroyasu@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Hi. Knight
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I do not think so. i also know about CCIEcert's WB. Coz CCIEs
>> > >> > in my company also bought their WB & passed Actually once i saw
>> > >> > the website, i also had some doubt like U but all of things
>> > >> > were
>> cleared
>> > >
>> > >> > I also bought WB from there and passed
>> > >> they
>> > >> > are surely selling ccie real labs and it's really perfact I do
>> > >> > not recommand to you go to there if you do not know about CCIE
>> > >> basic
>> > >> > Technology
>> > >> >
>> > >> > If you try to sell real stuffs. can you inform your phone No
>> > >> > Knight
>> > > ?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Cato
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > 2007/8/30, knight knight <knight_leb@yahoo.com>:
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > This site looks like a scam, or done really really poorly.
>> > >> > > Actually
>> > >> it
>> > >> > > looks like it was translated by an online tool, little fishy.
>> > >> > > They
>> > >> have
>> > >> > no
>> > >> > > phone contact, and they want you to pay 90.00 bucks for the
>> > > sample.
>> > >> Oh
>> > >> > > and if you share their labs, you "face big problem", very
>> > > humorous.
>> > >> And
>> > >> > only
>> > >> > > CCIE candidate can buy their labs, another funny comment on
>> > >> > > the
>> > >> site.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Nabil
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > ----- Original Message ----
>> > >> > > From: Deepak Ahuja <deeps.ccie@gmail.com>
>> > >> > > To: joh willi <wjoh71@gmail.com>
>> > >> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > >> > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:08:51 PM
>> > >> > > Subject: Re: Preferred workbooks ???
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Hi
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > http://www.cciecert.net/ccie/index.html
>> > >> > > Heard about it from a lot of people, thinking of buying it so
>> > >> > > wanted suggestions
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > On 8/27/07, joh willi <wjoh71@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > hello deepak,
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > What is ccie cert?. I never heard about such a work book.
>> > >> > > > can
>> > >> you
>> > >> > > > provide the info about it?.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > thanks,
>> > >> > > > joh
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > On 8/27/07, Deepak Ahuja <deeps.ccie@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > > Hi Experts
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > I have my Lab Attempt scheduled in November , I am
>> > >> > > > > almost done
>> > >> with
>> > >> > > > > IPEXPERT V9, I wanted to know which workbooks are
>> > >> > > > > considered
>> > >> > > best, as
>> > >> > > > > I
>> > >> > > > > have got different reviews from people around me
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > 1. Internetwork Expert
>> > >> > > > > 2. IP Expert
>> > >> > > > > 3. CCIE Cert
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > Any insight on that will be appreciated
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > Regards
>> > >> > > > > DK
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > >
>> > >>
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