From: Scott Morris (smorris@ipexpert.com)
Date: Thu Aug 30 2007 - 21:24:19 ART
Heheheh... I don't think this is going to be a conversation where anyone
comes out feeling good about things...
IOS is in english? Ok, kinda sorta. But what percentage of the people
working on the IOS code are "first language" english speakers? And who
cares?
I think this started out as an idea that some places cater to those who are
interested in violating NDA. Regardless of the grasp of english language,
some countries are more "hospitable" to those who want to run an Internet
presence in the grey area of legality than others. Or more importantly some
countries don't see things as a problem like others may.
Perception is the problem. Anyway... Gender, religion, nationality and all
that crap shouldn't really make a difference as far as we are concerned.
Whatever site you go to, if something seems too easy, there's likely
something wrong. Any reputable company doing CCIE work will not give you
"shortcuts" to get to the end goal. Obviously there's marketing
differences, and different styles in training. But nobody has shortcuts.
Hard work was never easy. If you want the easy way, you aren't helping
anyone (other than possibly putting money into the hands of people who
aren't going to give it back anyway!)
Just my two cents. Or two ruples, or yen, or whatever coinage du jour. ;)
Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713, JNCIE
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Narbik Kocharians
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 2:33 PM
To: Hoogen
Cc: Gary Duncanson; Usankin, Andrew; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Preferred workbooks ???
Guys Cisco is a US base company and i dont know how that relates to Honda.
Where do you think 170 Tasman drive is? Why do you think the IOS is in
english.
On 8/30/07, Hoogen <hoogen82@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think we can all stop this personal attacks. Anything personal, guys
> don't mail it to the group study i guess alot of people might be
> getting pissed with this thread.
>
> Cisco is a global company. If it wasn't we would have been having ***
> only in Amsterdam then.
>
> -Hoogen
>
> P.S: Andrew I guess I have answered you privately.
>
> On 8/30/07, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Privet Andrew.
> >
> > Fair comment.
> >
> > Gary
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Usankin, Andrew" <Andrew.Usankin@twtelecom.com>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:06 PM
> > Subject: RE: Preferred workbooks ???
> >
> >
> > > "...Their English is awfully pathetic and it wouldn't surprise me
> > > if these guys are found to be from China or Korea."
> > >
> > > They obviously speak well Chinese or Korean :) Can you?
> > > I got my CCNP and CCDP back in Russia and by that time I didn't
> > > speak English at all, I knew only technical English. So what?
> > >
> > > Andrew
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > > Behalf
> Of
> > > Hoogen
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:31 AM
> > > To: Brad Ellis; Jonny English
> > > Cc: cato hiroyasu; knight knight; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: Preferred workbooks ???
> > >
> > > Well I guess Jonny was just inquiring so that the guys number can
> > > be sent to Cisco NDA. The site resides in Korea FYI.
> > >
> > > Everyone's bothered now since the way CCIE numbers are flying
> > > around that region China's explosion is unbelievable. I have met
> > > some engineers from there who are good, but most of the CCIE's
> > > don't even recognize a console port. Its becoming ridiculous and I
> > > am really not sure what's Cisco's take on these sites as they have
> > > been existing for
> a
> > > pretty long time violating the NDA.
> > >
> > > Their English is awfully pathetic and it wouldn't surprise me if
> > > these guys are found to be from China or Korea.
> > >
> > > -Hoogen
> > >
> > > On 8/30/07, Brad Ellis <brad@ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Do NOT purchase that crap and support the NDA violators. In
> > >> addition, what happens if Cisco goes after them and get's their
> > >> customer list and you're one of the people on it??? I'd say you
> > >> were willing violating NDA by purchasing this material. Now that
> > >> would be interesting... just a thought.
> > >>
> > >> thanks,
> > >> Brad Ellis
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> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> > >> Behalf Of Jonny English
> > >> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 11:44 AM
> > >> To: cato hiroyasu
> > >> Cc: knight knight; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >> Subject: Re: Preferred workbooks ???
> > >> Importance: Low
> > >>
> > >> whats your ccie number?
> > >>
> > >> On 8/30/07, cato hiroyasu <cato.hiroyasu@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Hi. Knight
> > >> >
> > >> > I do not think so. i also know about CCIEcert's WB. Coz CCIEs
> > >> > in my company also bought their WB & passed Actually once i saw
> > >> > the website, i also had some doubt like U but all of things
> > >> > were
> cleared
> > >
> > >> > I also bought WB from there and passed
> > >> they
> > >> > are surely selling ccie real labs and it's really perfact I do
> > >> > not recommand to you go to there if you do not know about CCIE
> > >> basic
> > >> > Technology
> > >> >
> > >> > If you try to sell real stuffs. can you inform your phone No
> > >> > Knight
> > > ?
> > >> >
> > >> > Cato
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > 2007/8/30, knight knight <knight_leb@yahoo.com>:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > This site looks like a scam, or done really really poorly.
> > >> > > Actually
> > >> it
> > >> > > looks like it was translated by an online tool, little fishy.
> > >> > > They
> > >> have
> > >> > no
> > >> > > phone contact, and they want you to pay 90.00 bucks for the
> > > sample.
> > >> Oh
> > >> > > and if you share their labs, you "face big problem", very
> > > humorous.
> > >> And
> > >> > only
> > >> > > CCIE candidate can buy their labs, another funny comment on
> > >> > > the
> > >> site.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Nabil
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > >> > > From: Deepak Ahuja <deeps.ccie@gmail.com>
> > >> > > To: joh willi <wjoh71@gmail.com>
> > >> > > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >> > > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:08:51 PM
> > >> > > Subject: Re: Preferred workbooks ???
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Hi
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > http://www.cciecert.net/ccie/index.html
> > >> > > Heard about it from a lot of people, thinking of buying it so
> > >> > > wanted suggestions
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On 8/27/07, joh willi <wjoh71@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > hello deepak,
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > What is ccie cert?. I never heard about such a work book.
> > >> > > > can
> > >> you
> > >> > > > provide the info about it?.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > thanks,
> > >> > > > joh
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On 8/27/07, Deepak Ahuja <deeps.ccie@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > Hi Experts
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > I have my Lab Attempt scheduled in November , I am
> > >> > > > > almost done
> > >> with
> > >> > > > > IPEXPERT V9, I wanted to know which workbooks are
> > >> > > > > considered
> > >> > > best, as
> > >> > > > > I
> > >> > > > > have got different reviews from people around me
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > 1. Internetwork Expert
> > >> > > > > 2. IP Expert
> > >> > > > > 3. CCIE Cert
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Any insight on that will be appreciated
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Regards
> > >> > > > > DK
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > >
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