From: kelly@cliffhanger.com
Date: Wed Aug 22 2007 - 16:48:52 ART
That's nice.
I don't know if anyone has done it but, I plan to
test connectivity between a dynamips router and a
host running under VMWare or Parallels.
I'd be interested in hearing you're experiences if
you've attempted this.
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Quoting Colin McNamara <colin@2cups.com>: I don't know if anyone has seen the press-releases but Cisco is developing a virtual switch for VMware. There are no hard stats on features yet, but what has been released hints to at minimum layer 3 switching in the virtual switch being made for ESX. I would guess that if you fast forward to next year, many peoples labs will consist of Dynamips (probably running on a vmware image) integrated with these virtual switches. -- Colin McNamara (858)208-8105 CCIE #18233 "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible just takes a little longer" On Tue, 2007-08-21 at 19:42 +0100, Gary Duncanson wrote: > Makes sense. > > Thanks David. > > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Prall" <dcp@dcptech.com> > To: "'Scott Vermillion'" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>; > <ccielab@groupstudy.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 5:58 PM > Subject: RE: Virtual CCIE's? - 3550/3560 > > > > SIMICS is hardware emulation. It actually emulates the processors and > > asics. > > Putting together a switch would be rather difficult unless you worked for > > Cisco since the ASIC's are proprietary and the processor to asic linkage > > is > > part of the design. Also a license for Simics is rather expensive. > > Packages > > like this are typically used in the design phase, since an ASIC can be > > simulated rather easily, where as having it produced for debugging > > purposes > > can take months. So the software emulation of hardware is well worthwhile > > during the design phase. > > > > -- > > http://dcp.dcptech.com > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On > >> Behalf Of Scott Vermillion > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 12:28 PM > >> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com > >> Subject: RE: Virtual CCIE's? - 3550/3560 > >> > >> The good news is that they appear to offer an "academic" license for > >> individual use (approval time ~1 week). The bad news is that when I > >> google "virtutech cisco switch," I come up with precious > >> little. Here is > >> a link to a presentation where Cisco is mentioned in passing: > >> > >> http://www.deserec.eu/files/first_workshop/pdf/DESEREC_IABG_Si > >> mics_Workshop_2006.pdf > >> > >> It may indeed be possible to emulate a Cisco switch, but it > >> appears as if > >> there exists no "Dynagen equivalent" for we mere mortals. And no real > >> history to indicate CPU/memory requirements (could you > >> emulate one switch > >> with a given hardware configuration or could you emulate > >> 12?). Certainly > >> there doesn't appear to be any "body of knowledge" out there. > >> Also, not > >> sure how to take it, but that presentation makes mention of only being > >> able to bridge "TCP and UDP" from the simulated environment > >> to a physical > >> NIC (so no control plane traffic directly over IP? etc?). Thus, I'll > >> keep my ear to the ground on this one, but I still plan to > >> spend the next > >> several months tackling the CCIE R&S lab vs. being one of the first to > >> figure SIMICS and Cisco switches out... > >> > >> -------- Original Message -------- > >> Subject: RE: Virtual CCIE's? - 3550/3560 > >> From: "Lamine BOUAFIA" <b_lamine@yahoo.fr> > >> Date: Tue, August 21, 2007 6:48 am > >> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com> > >> > >> Anyone who know mode about > >> http://www.virtutech.com/products/ and how > >> to > >> simulate Cisco 3550/3560?? > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> -----Message d'origine----- > >> De : nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] De la part > >> de > >> Brian Dennis > >> Envoyi : mardi 21 ao{t 2007 06:42 > >> @ : Scott Vermillion; Cisco certification > >> Objet : [Bulk] RE: Virtual CCIE's? > >> > >> When teaching a class at Cisco recently one of the students > >> said that > >> the > >> 3550 or 3560 can be "virtualized" using software from this company: > >> > >> http://www.virtutech.com/products/ > >> https://www.simics.net/ > >> > >> Personally I never looked into it but someone here may be familiar > >> with > >> the software and it's capabilities. > >> > >> Brian Dennis, CCIE4 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP) > >> bdennis@internetworkexpert.com > >> > >> Internetwork Expert, Inc. > >> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com > >> Toll Free: 877-224-8987 > >> Direct: 775-745-6404 (Outside the US and Canada) > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- > >> Subject: RE: Virtual CCIE's? > >> Date: Mon, August 20, 2007 21:30 > >> From: "Scott Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> > >> > >> > Unfortunately, the more recent posts I've seen from him would > >> indicated > >> > that, due largely to ASICs that cannot easily be > >> reverse-engineered, a > >> > switch equivalent or extension is all but dead as a concept. This > >> is why > >> > I chose to go ahead and purchase some 3560-8PCs and just > >> move on... > >> > > >> > -------- Original Message -------- > >> > Subject: Re: Virtual CCIE's? > >> > From: "darth router" <darklordrouter@gmail.com> > >> > Date: Mon, August 20, 2007 9:18 pm > >> > To: ISolveSystems <support@isolvesystems.com> > >> > Cc: "Scott Vermillion" <scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com>, "Cisco > >> > certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com> > >> > > >> > That depends on the devs, and if they can continue to support > >> future > >> > platforms, whether it is possible or feasible. No switches yet, > >> maybe > >> > never, but who knows, chris has some posts where he wanted access > >> to > >> > 6500 switches. Might be workin on it :P I hope so. Here > >> is the site > >> > with the history. > >> > > >> > http://www.ipflow.utc.fr/index.php/Cisco_7200_Simulator > >> > > >> > On 8/21/07, ISolveSystems <support@isolvesystems.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > You said that Dynamips is in its infancy. I am curious to know > >> > how old is > >> > Dynamips? How do you see the continuing development of Dynamips > >> > to support > >> > future IOS development? > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > > >> > On 8/20/07, Scott Vermillion < scott_ccie_list@it-ag.com> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > Gregory, > >> > > > >> > > Were a person to acquire the CCIE cert w/ nothing more than > >> > time on > >> > > Dynamips, that person may indeed face a few embarrassing > >> > moments > >> > > early on. So it should be outlawed and shunned by the > >> > CCIE-seeking > >> > > community at large? I'd wager that 90% or better using > >> > Dynamips for > >> > > CCIE study have sufficient experience w/ real HW to know > >> > which side > >> > > the power switch is on. > >> > & gt; > >> > > Do you think you'll normally have physical access to all of > >> > the > >> > > routers on which you are expected to perform your work? If > >> > you > >> > > require that to do your job, are you effective? > >> > > > >> > > Recall that this is real IOS -- not some training > >> > simulator. So the > >> > > chassis, the power supply, the interface cards, etc. are > >> > lacking in > >> > > your CCIE lab, where you are intensely focused on subtle > >> > protocol > >> > > interplay. So? Can you even touch the HW during the CCIE > >> > practical > >> > > exam? > >> > > > >> > > I have posted this as recently as a few hours ago on the > >> > professional > >> > > board: > >> > > > >> > > "I have now been dealing with Dynamips since (roughly) Dec of > >> > last > >> > > year. I generally trust it (yes, bugs now and then and even > >> > the > >> > > occasional crash, but can IOS itself claim otherwise?) and > >> > actually > >> > > prefer it over real hardware for a couple of reasons: > >> > > > >> > > 1. Recabling a HW lab takes longer than launching a new .net > >> > file. I > >> > > keep every .net file I've ever created, along with all of the > >> > router > >> > > NVRAM files, etc. Modifying one lab for another purpose gets > >> > easier > >> > > and easier as your collection grows. Take good notes on why > >> > you > >> > > created a given environment and your results. This becomes a > >> > highly > >> > > valuable reference resource when you've grown a little fuzzy > >> > on some > >> > > details of a prior battle. > >> > > > >> > > 2. The capture function of Dynagen is killer. Definitely > >> > beats debug > >> > > output when you're really trying to understand what's going > >> > on under > >> > > the hood. If you're proficient w/ Wireshark or any other PA > >> > that can > >> > > open a .cap file, this is a "ki ller app" for sur e." > >> > > > >> > > Dynamips is nothing short of revolutionary for understanding, > >> > > troubleshooting, prototyping, and generally poking and > >> > prodding > >> > > network-related protocols. It has some limitations, yet in > >> > its > >> > > infancy. Know those and live with them. And then leverage a > >> > tool > >> > > that can only be bested by some seriously deep pockets... > >> > > > >> > > Regards, > >> > > > >> > > Scott > >> > > > >> > > -------- Original MessageGr -------- > >> > > Subject: Virtual CCIE's? > >> > > From: "Gregory Gombas" < ggombas@gmail.com> > >> > > Date: Mon, August 20, 2007 6:19 pm > >> > > To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com> > >> > > > >> > > Guys, > >> > > > >> > > I was checking out Dynamips and its pretty cool and all, > >> > but it > >> > > does > >> > > worry me a little bit.... > >> > > > >> > > How will employers view the CCIE certification after > >> > they've been > >> > > burned by hiring a CCIE who has never touched a real router > >> > in > >> > > their > >> > > life? > >> > > > >> > > Do you like the idea of a pilot flying your plane whose > >> > only > >> > > training > >> > > was with a virtual flight simulator? > >> > > > >> > > ; I remember the days when the MCSE was a hot cert until an > >> > army of > >> > > paper CCIE's hit the job market. > >> > > > >> > > Maybe they won't call it a paper CCIE, maybe they'll coin a > >> > new > >> > > term > >> > > like virtual CCIE. > >> > > > >> > > Just food for thought... > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> _________ > >> > > Subscription information may be found at: > >> > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> _________ > >> > > Subscription information may be found at: > >> > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >> > > >> > > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> _________ > >> > Subscription information may be found at: > >> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >> > > >> > > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> _________ > >> > Subscription information may be found at: > >> > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> _________ > >> Subscription information may be found at: > >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> _________ > >> Subscription information may be found at: > >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> _________ > >> Subscription information may be found at: > >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Subscription information may be found at: > > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html _______________________________________________________________________ Subscription information may be found at: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
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